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Post by thewebguyd »

treespace8 wrote: post #178
dingnuts wrote: post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

it's also widely believed that the cars are remotely operated, not autonomous. they are likely semi autonomous, which is still cool, but I wish they'd be honest about it

After learning that the Amazon Go store was power by hundreds of people watching video because the AI could not handle it was a real eye opener for me. Is this why Waymo is slow to expand, not enough remote drivers? Maybe that is where we need to be focused, better remote driving?

> Maybe that is where we need to be focused, better remote driving?

I think maybe we can and should focus on both. Better remote driving can be extended into other equipment operations as well - remote control of excavators and other construction equipment. Imagine road construction, or building projects, being able to be done remotely while we wait for better automation to develop.

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Post by everforward »

shagie wrote: post #184
christianqchung wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, I have no idea if Waymo will ever be a rural thing honestly, mostly for economic reasons. I'm skeptical it would get serious suburban usage this decade too. But for major cities where less than 80% of people own cars, test time doesn't seem to be making a difference. They've been expanding in Austin and Atlanta, seemingly with less prep time than Phoenix and San Fran.

They keep expanding in places where it doesn't snow. They've got testing facilities in Detroit ( https://mcity.umich.edu/what-we-do/mcity-test-facility/ ) ... but I want to see it work while it is snowing or after it has snowed in the upper midwest. https://youtu.be/YvcfpO1k1fc?si=hONzbMEv22jvTLFS - has suggestions that they're starting testing. If AI driving only works in California, New Mexico, Arizona, and Texas..…

If I were in charge of Waymo, I’d roll out in snowy places last. The odds of a “couldn’t be avoided” accident is much higher in snow/ice. I’d want an abundance of safety data in other places to show that the cars are still safe, and it was the snow instead of the tech that caused the accident.

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Post by mensetmanusman »

kklisura wrote: post #54

When Tesla demoed (via video) self-driving in 2016 with a claim "The person in the driver’s seat is only there for legal reasons. He is not doing anything. The car is driving itself" and then when they unveiled Semi in 2017 - I tweeted out and honestly thought that trucking industry is changed forever and it doesn't make sense to be starting in trucking industry. It's almost end of 2025 and either nothing out of it o…

80/20 rule might be 99/1 for AI.

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Post by cogman10 »

aabajian wrote: post #209

I'm an interventional radiologist with a master's in computer science. People outside radiology don't get why AI hasn't taken over. Can AI read diagnostic images better than a radiologist? Almost certainly the answer is (or will be) yes. Will radiologists be replaced? Almost certainly the answer is no. Why not? Medical risk. Unless the law changes, a radiologist will have to sign off on each imaging report. So say yo…

Doesn't most of the stuff a radiologist does get double checked anyways by the doctor that orders the scan in the first place? I guess not a more typical screening scan like a mammogram. However, for anything else like a CT, MRI, Xray, etc. I expect the doctor/NP that ordered it in the first place will want to take a look at the image itself and not just the report on the image.

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Post by pessimizer »

quadragenarian wrote: post #118
porridgeraisin wrote: post #46

AI _is_ replacing radiologists. Where AI stands for "An Indian". Search for teleradiology, on Google and on HN too.

You do realize that in order to interpret imaging for a US based patient, any physician needs to have a US medical license?

Any physician with a medical license in the US can sign off on an Indian physician's work. Or hundreds of them.

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Post by asadotzler »

theOGognf wrote: post #27

This article is pretty good. My current work is transitioning CV models in a large, local hospital system to a more unified deployment system, and much of the content aligns with conversations we have with providers, operations, etc.. I think the part that says models will reduce time to complete tasks and allow providers to focus on other tasks is on point in particular. For one CV task, we’re only saving on average…

>reduce time to complete tasks and allow providers to focus on other tasks

Or, far more likely, to cut costs and increase profits.

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Post by lomase »

dingnuts wrote: post #158
lomase wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Waymo is a 21 year old company that only operates on a small part of the US after $10 billions of funding.

it's also widely believed that the cars are remotely operated, not autonomous. they are likely semi autonomous, which is still cool, but I wish they'd be honest about it

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Post by nutjob2 »

cogman10 wrote: post #214
aabajian wrote: post #209

I'm an interventional radiologist with a master's in computer science. People outside radiology don't get why AI hasn't taken over. Can AI read diagnostic images better than a radiologist? Almost certainly the answer is (or will be) yes. Will radiologists be replaced? Almost certainly the answer is no. Why not? Medical risk. Unless the law changes, a radiologist will have to sign off on each imaging report. So say yo…

Doesn't most of the stuff a radiologist does get double checked anyways by the doctor that orders the scan in the first place? I guess not a more typical screening scan like a mammogram. However, for anything else like a CT, MRI, Xray, etc. I expect the doctor/NP that ordered it in the first place will want to take a look at the image itself and not just the report on the image.

A primary physician (or NP) isn't in a position to validate the judgement of a specialist. Even if they had the training and skill (doubtful), responsibility goes up, not down. It's all a question of who is liable when things go wrong.

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Post by rcpt »

philwelch wrote: post #89
kklisura wrote: post #54

When Tesla demoed (via video) self-driving in 2016 with a claim "The person in the driver’s seat is only there for legal reasons. He is not doing anything. The car is driving itself" and then when they unveiled Semi in 2017 - I tweeted out and honestly thought that trucking industry is changed forever and it doesn't make sense to be starting in trucking industry. It's almost end of 2025 and either nothing out of it o…

For trucking I think self driving can be, in the short term, an opportunity for owner-operators. An owner-operator of a conventional truck can only drive one truck at a time, but you could have multiple self driving trucks in a convoy led by a truck manned by the owner-operator. And there might be an even greater opportunity for this in Europe thanks to the low capacity of European freight rail compared to North Amer…

Trucks are harder. The weight changes a lot, they are off grid for huge stretches, mistakes are more consequential.
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