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Re: Yt-dlp: Upcoming new requirements for YouTube downloads

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> Days of just getting data off the web are coming to an end All thanks to great ideas like downloading the whole internet and feeding it into slop-producing machines fueling global warming in an attempt to make said internet obsolete and prop up an industry bubble. The future of the internet is, at best, bleak. Forget about openness. Paywalls, authwalls, captchas and verification cans are here to stay.

The Internet was turned into a slop warehouse well before LLMs became a thing - in fact, a big part of why ChatGPT et al. has so extreme adoption worldwide is because they let people accomplish many tasks without having to inflict on yourself the shitfest that's the modern web. Personally, when it became available, o3 model in ChatGPT cut my use of web search by more than half, and it wasn't because Google became bad…

> The Internet was turned into a slop warehouse well before LLMs became a thing

I suppose that's thanks to Google and their search algos favoring ad-ridden SEO spam. LLMs are indeed more appealing and convenient. But I fear that legitimate websites (ad-supported or otherwise) that actually provide useful information will be on the decline. Let's just hope then that updated information will find its way into LLMs when such websites are gone.

Re: Yt-dlp: Upcoming new requirements for YouTube downloads

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post #99

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>If you ever wondered why the likes of Google and Cloudflare want to restrict the web I disagree with the framing of "us vs them". It's actually "us vs us". It's not just us plebians vs FAANG giants. The small-time independent publishers and creators also want to restrict the web because they don't want their content "stolen". They want to interact with real humans instead of bots. The following are manifestations of…

When Nixon slammed the gold window shut so Congress could keep writing blank checks for Vietnam and the Great Society, it wasn't just some monetary technicality. It was the moment America broke its word to the world and broke something fundamental in us too. Suddenly money wasn't something you earned through sweat or innovation anymore. It became something politicians and bankers could conjure from thin air whenever…

Sir, this is a Wendy's.

The gold standard is objectively terrible economic policy and "society was better when I was young" has been a meme for thousands of years.

It feels nice to attribute everything bad to this one weird trick, but it's fake.

Re: Yt-dlp: Upcoming new requirements for YouTube downloads

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Semi coherent. The greed and corruption is a real theme but would still be 100% possible while on the gold standard.

They'd have to physically steal gold from people, and people would notice that. Or they could mine more gold, but that's hard. Or they could publicly and officially change the exchange rate (of dollars to gold), and people would notice that politicians make it go down, the same way that people notice when politicians make taxes go up (they notice way more than when prices other than taxes go up). With the current sys…

Considering the amount of panics and depressions and general economic insanity that happened on the gold standard in the 1800, none of this is true.

Re: Yt-dlp: Upcoming new requirements for YouTube downloads

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post #509

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I don’t think network effect matters much if you’re not trying to advertise the content. Organizations can just link to it from their site. I admit I haven’t looked into peertube, and I didn’t think that rumble was any better than YouTube. I don’t recognize the others. Thank you; I’ll resurvey.

yeah there are alternatives for sure, but it takes time to discover them. But many search engine are offering searching of videos. So may just be a good idea to start building a public index of all the videos. And it is 2025, the HN crowd here can usually just deploy their video to CDN. Many business are also just hosting their own videos. BTW forgot to mention Odyssey underlying protocol is https://lbry.com And seem…

> And it is 2025, the HN crowd here can usually just deploy their video to CDN. Many business are also just hosting their own videos.

This is a very bad standard and not indicative of the capabilities of the average small-to-medium business.

Nonetheless, I agree it's more complicated than I made it seem—YouTube is not an insurmountable problem for a determined actor.

Re: Yt-dlp: Upcoming new requirements for YouTube downloads

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That's a lot of words, but I think it boils down to: you're making an assumption that two calendar events with identical naming and identical time entries will always have a desired behavior of being deduped. - Maybe you want to separately invite people to the same thing and have different descriptions, now you're increasing the number of things to equate. - Maybe a user creates one event that is simply a title and a…

> will always have a desired behavior of being deduped. Okay, let's say people like repetition. Optional flag. Great, solved. > Maybe you want to separately invite people to the same thing To a... holiday? Sorry, I already cannot invite people to a holiday in my existing calendar. I have no ability to edit the event. This capacity does not exist in my Apple Calendar nor Google Calendar and I'm not going to check that…

> So what's your answer?

My answer is simply: It's not a 5 minute regex change.

I'm not even saying it shouldn't be prioritized or isn't worth the effort. Just that you should give the problem a bit more respect.

Re: Yt-dlp: Upcoming new requirements for YouTube downloads

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post #259

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You don't have that right. When you view copyrighted content, you do so at the pleasure of the licensor.

How you watch copyrighted content has never been something that copyright has controlled.

If the content needs to be copied or downloaded in order to be watched, you may do so exclusively under terms set by the licensor, period. You may not even get fair use rights, as to get the content in the first place you might have to agree to terms of service waiving them, and being found to use the content in an unapproved way would be grounds for cutting off your access.

Re: Yt-dlp: Upcoming new requirements for YouTube downloads

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Semi coherent. The greed and corruption is a real theme but would still be 100% possible while on the gold standard.

They'd have to physically steal gold from people, and people would notice that. Or they could mine more gold, but that's hard. Or they could publicly and officially change the exchange rate (of dollars to gold), and people would notice that politicians make it go down, the same way that people notice when politicians make taxes go up (they notice way more than when prices other than taxes go up). With the current sys…

Just selling bonds would have raised more than enough money to give out corruptly.

And corporate bailouts are downright cheap compared to the federal budget.

Re: Yt-dlp: Upcoming new requirements for YouTube downloads

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post #581

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The Internet was turned into a slop warehouse well before LLMs became a thing - in fact, a big part of why ChatGPT et al. has so extreme adoption worldwide is because they let people accomplish many tasks without having to inflict on yourself the shitfest that's the modern web. Personally, when it became available, o3 model in ChatGPT cut my use of web search by more than half, and it wasn't because Google became bad…

> The Internet was turned into a slop warehouse well before LLMs became a thing I suppose that's thanks to Google and their search algos favoring ad-ridden SEO spam. LLMs are indeed more appealing and convenient. But I fear that legitimate websites (ad-supported or otherwise) that actually provide useful information will be on the decline. Let's just hope then that updated information will find its way into LLMs when…

In terms of utility as training data, the Internet is a poisoned well now, and the poison is becoming more potent over time. Part of it is the SEO spam and content marketing slop, both of which kept growing and accumulating. Part of it is even more slop produced by LLMs, especially by cheap (= weak) models, but also by LLMs in general (any LLM used to produce content is doing worse job at it than a model from subsequent generation, so it's kinda always suboptimal for training purposes). And now part of it are people mass-producing bullshit out of spite, just to screw with AI companies. SNR on the web is dropping like a brick falling into a black hole.

It's a bit of a gamble at this point - will the larger models, or new architectures, or training protocols, be able to reject all that noise and extract the signal? If yes, then training on the Internet is still safe. If not, it's probably better for them to freeze the datasets blindly scrapped from the Internet now, and focus on mining less poisoned sources (like books, academic papers, and other publications not yet ravaged by the marketing communications cancer[0], also ideally published before the last 2 years).

I don't know which is more likely - but I'm not dismissing the possibility that the models will be able to process increasingly poisoned data sets just fine, if the data sets are large enough, because of a very basic and powerful idea: self-consistency. True information is always self-consistent, because it reflects the underlying reality. Falsehoods may be consistent in the small, but at scale they're not.

Re: Yt-dlp: Upcoming new requirements for YouTube downloads

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Those "zero" include: Rumble, Odysee, Dailymotion, Twitch, Facebook watch... etc. And a decent list here: https://ideaexplainers.com/video-sites-like-youtube/

Rumble and Odysee and populated with crazy ragebaiting rightwingers, conspiracy theorists, and pseudo-libertarians. Twitch has the issues the other commenter described, and both Twitch and Facebook are owned by billionaires who are actively collaborating with the current authoritarian regime. Facebook in particular is a risk space for actually exercising free speech and giving coherent critiques of authority. Dailymo…

> Rumble and Odysee and populated with crazy ragebaiting rightwingers, conspiracy theorists, and pseudo-libertarians.

So, just like Youtube, then?

Re: Yt-dlp: Upcoming new requirements for YouTube downloads

#590
post #517

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Things have changed. Google is doing what Apple does and implementing Gatekeeper-like signature checks to ensure only apps by Google-approved developers can run on Android. Microsoft does something similar with Windows Defender: you need to buy a developer certificate that can be revoked at any time if you want to distribute your app and have users be able to run it. We're at a point where we need permission from tri…

>Microsoft does something similar with Windows Defender: you need to buy a developer certificate that can be revoked at any time if you want to distribute your app and have users be able to run it. Clarifying: you CAN run an unsigned app just fine on Windows. A lot of freeware/"indie" (for lack of a better term for small software) programs run just fine, the only thing that happens is the user recieves a warning they…

They obfuscate it more than just pressing "Yes". You get a big warning saying Microsoft Defender has protected you, and the only clear option is "Don't run"

https://cdn.advancedinstaller.com/img/prevent-smartscreen-fr...

In order to run, you have to click on "More info", and then a second "Run anyway" button appears.

There's way more than 5% of the Windows userbase that gets confused and can't get past this warning.

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