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Microsoft blocks Israel’s use of its tech in mass surveillance of Palestinians

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How so? The Patriot Act was arguably the kick-off of the state of constant mass surveillance that is ubiquitous today.

Arguably? I think its confirmed. The re-approval of the act under multiple administrations is horrifying.

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Evidence indicates the intention is to kill indiscriminately, hence the genocide determinations.

I would be interested to read the evidence for myself if you have sources?

Would you accept it even if it was shown? Or would you go on with adjacents to say how it is not evidence? Get new points from the ITF. Maybe hold them to the a fraction of accountability that you throw around.

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Palestinians don't discern Jews and Israelis. If you listen to this recording you'll understand - they're after the Jews: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bACNYtaLBQI

I think you're probably propagandizing rather than trying to engage coherently with the conversation, but perhaps I'm missing something.

I was directly referring to your closing line saying ”It’s not Jews vs. Palestine, it’s Israel vs. Palestine!”. Given that about half of Israelis are Arab in origin, and about a fifth are proper Muslims, the objection of Palestinians is not to Israelis but to Jews. The video I linked demonstrates the common mode of thought in that part of the world.

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It is interesting to me that all this sweat and tears are spent deliberating over the use of a word in faraway courts while all of us can see with our eyes the horrors Palestinians are subjected to by the occupying IDF. "We didn't say there was a genocide! We acknowledged the plausibility of the possibility that potentially maybe an investigation might perhaps occur into the possibility of maybe Palestinians being ab…

If you want to redefine genocide to mean "a very bad thing" then go ahead, but doing so would hollow out the term. There's nothing stopping people from discussing the events in Gaza as a tragedy and a war crime, but activists are intent on attaching the word genocide to this. Referring to it as a genocide has become a litmus test to be considered pro-Palestinian.

To be fair, the UN working group that declared it genocide was completely precise in how they defined it and the criteria they used. Totally fair to disagree either with the existence of that working group, their definition of genocide, or with the facts they cite as evidence, but to pretend it’s just a bunch internet activists playing rhetorical tricks is clearly subterfuge.

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You say "the Jews" but you're leaving out that there are Arab Jews and European ones. Arab Jews have lived in Palestine for hundreds of years alongside other Arabs peacefully in coexistence. The arrival of Zionist European Jews was a phenomonen of the 19th and 20th centuries. The Zionist Jews that came from Europe brought with them a supremecist ideology that, in their eyes, justified all forms of violence committed…

> I don't know what you're making or misrepresenting in your statememt about Jordan and Jerusalem https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jordanian_annexation_of_the_We... "The Jordanians immediately expelled all the Jewish residents of East Jerusalem.[54] Mark Tessler cites John Oesterreicher as writing that during Jordanian rule, "34 out of the Old City's 35 synagogues were dynamited. Some were turned into stables, others in…

This is completely in the context of the formation of Israel in 1948.

Also, you are lying about "endless massacres of Jews by Muslims". This is not, has never been, and continues to not be, true whatsoever.

Arabs and Muslims didn't even have antisemitism before Zionism existed. You can only look to times after Zionism with its supremeist ideology to find hostility from Arabs and Muslims specifically targeting Jews for being Jewish. It simply did not exist and they have coexisted for nearly the entirety of the history of Islam. Only when Europeans came down into the Middle East and they segmented and separated the society did this occur.

Avi Shlaim [0], an Israeli and also Arab Jew, talks extensively about the peaceful coexistence Muslims and Jews had for hundreds of years in the Middle East prior to Zionism.

Zionism tried to force a wedge between Arab Jews and Muslims that simply wasn't there beforehand.

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I see the war in radically different terms than you. It's not a battle between who has the better historical claim to the land. It's a religious battle. It's a battle between radical Islam and the secular west. For a fuller treatment of the defense of Israel from a secular view point. https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/38926431-what-justice-de... I'm grateful that what little good pieces are left in the American rig…

At least you're honest. This is why the vast majority of Westerners support Israel, its colonialism and its right to kill as many brown people as they can, they just don't say it out loud.

Isn’t it the inverse? Gazans voted for Hamas, and still support them per polls. Hamas’s charter is to destroy Israel in particular but also to subordinate women, subordinate all other religions, undermine Western powers, etc. Their goals and ideology are explicitly in conflict with liberal orders that support things like women’s rights, gay rights, free speech, freedom of religion, and so on.

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hey, man - I understand this is a stressful time for you. but you're not doing your people any favors by denying the suffering your government is causing. in fact, the bold faced unapologetic nature of these atrocities is why people are talking about sanctions (which is also likely why MS made this move - to avoid being caught up in sanctions)

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We all know that's a lie. Israel has murdered the negotiators most interested in giving the hostages back. Qatar was the most recent miss, but they got Haniyeh in Iran and he was a known moderate (in the Overton window of Hamas)

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A few government officials have said this. No one part of the War Cabinet has said this and it is definitely NOT the explicitly goal of the IDF. This is entirely made up.

>I have ordered a complete siege on the Gaza Strip. There will be no electricity, no food, no fuel. Everything is closed. We are fighting human animals and we are acting accordingly.

> We are fighting human animals

What else do you call people who rape and murder civilians, then parade their dead bodies around to cheering crowds?

Hamas will never have any sympathy from most people who watched the October 7 attack footage.

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It is not a lie. It is so extreme that it has merited its own Wikipedia page [0], but don't trust that, read the citations. Leaders[1] statements[2] have been chronicled calling for genocide. It is happening in both word and action. Resisting an occupying force is not genocide. [1] https://amnesty.ca/wp-content/uploads/2024/12/Amnesty-Intern... [2] https://web.archive.org/web/20250916081026/https://www.ohchr... [0] h…

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Same bogus website used earlier. Please don't copy pasta bad hasbara

Dismissing something as a “bogus website” or attacking the source isn’t an argument. It’s a logical fallacy.
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