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Microsoft blocks Israel’s use of its tech in mass surveillance of Palestinians

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Post by squigz »

colpabar wrote: post #516
squigz wrote: post #440

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> are there really enough people who are going to boycott microsoft products Maybe not, but some is better than none, and I'll continue to push more people to do it, rather than tell them nothing they do matters. > over this? Maybe it's not just this. Maybe this is the straw that breaks the user's back. Or maybe the next thing is. My point was to address your belief that they're too big for anyone to make any differe…

That's fair. For the record, I recently dumped windows for linux and won't ever buy/use a microsoft product again if I can help it, and I will encourage others to do the same, but that decision had nothing to do with politics. I don't think I actually disagree with anything you've said. I am just very cynical, and while I want to believe like you do, I find it very difficult. edit: "Can they not make principled moves…

Don't worry, so do I :)

Re: Microsoft blocks Israel’s use of its tech in mass surveillance of Palestinians

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Post by tick_tock_tick »

dark_mode wrote: post #235

> The decision has not affected Microsoft’s wider commercial relationship with the IDF, which is a longstanding client and will retain access to other services. The termination will raise questions within Israel about the policy of holding sensitive military data in a third-party cloud hosted overseas. It's worth noting that even after finding out the "most moral" army is conducting mass surveillance, they're still h…

Doesn't every army conduct "mass surveillance"? What do you think all those satellites with cameras are doing orbiting the planet?

Wouldn't the opposite be incredibly immoral? Attacking/bombing/etc without large scale surveillance would largely mean increased collateral damage.

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Post by mlinsey »

efitz wrote: post #473

I think Cloud providers should be common carriers. I don’t think that it is a good thing when a company can make an arbitrary decision and disable functionality that you have put millions of dollars and thousands or tens of thousands of person hours into. I think that the only reasons that a cloud provider should be permitted to use to justify termination of service, are illegal activity (in the country of service),…

I agree with you in most contexts, but "illegal activity (in the country of service)" is a tough one in the context of an invasion, a territorial dispute, or international espionage.

Before the current war, Hamas was the governing authority in Gaza, despite the Palestinian Authority being the internationally recognized one. Regardless, whether the surveillance was legal under Israeli law doesn't seem like the correct standard.

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Post by Hikikomori »

underdeserver wrote: post #376
moogly wrote: post #45

No one left to surveil, I guess.

Estimates of deaths are around 60,000, of a 2 million strong population.

That's about the latest number from Gaza health ministry that stopped counting well over a year ago as Israel had destroyed all but one hospital. It doesn't even count the people left in rubble from destroying 80% of all buildings.

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Post by hashim »

nailer wrote: post #245
lupusreal wrote: post #111

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Right of return for all Palestinians and their descendants, worldwide.

Also for the 850K middle eastern Jews that were kicked out of their countries by arabs?

Kicked out? Is that what you call the One Million Plan and all the other plans like it? They were imported there because that's been the MO of the state of Israel since the Irgun and Haganah first envisioned it.

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Post by halflife »

basilgohar wrote: post #219
skinkestek wrote: post #168

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Let's not ignore the last 60-70 or even 1400 years. Israelis hit back hard. But they haven't been the ones to declare war on peaceful neighbors. It wasn't them who stood for thr München massacre or a number of plane hijackings in the 70ies. It wasn't Israelis who blew up buses in Gaza. Was it? We must stop confusing powerful with evil and currently helpless with "innocent".

What a delightful selection of specific incidents. In just the past two weeks Israel attacked a half dozen of its neighboring countries. Israel itself is a belligerent Western colony that has been ethnically cleansing Palestine since the 1940s. It is the obligation for an occupied people to resist their occupiers, and according to the UN that is up to and includes violent resistence. The entirety of Palestine has bee…

You know what, I just had to do a double take because your post is so stupid.

Israel brought nothing to the region? Let’s review.

Israel has the highest gdp by a great margin.

Israel is an important exporter of technology to the world, be it cyber tech, water tech, agriculture tech or defense tech.

Israel has the highest number of startups per capita in the world.

Israel has more Nobel laureates than the entire rest of the Middle East.

Last olymipcs Israel won more medal than the rest of the Middle East.

Palestines primary exports pretty much mounts to terrorism and sedition.

So yeah, Israel is an extremely successful country, saying otherwise is either ignorance, or malicious.

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Post by greenie_beans »

jewjitsu wrote: post #474
greenie_beans wrote: post #294

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makes sense to do if you support genocide

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ok IDF bot. anybody with a brain knows that criticizing israel's genocide against palestinian people is not antisemitic. such an overdone, false trope

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Post by ars »

basilgohar wrote: post #373
ars wrote: post #282

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That what Jordan did to the Jews in Jerusalem, and then handed the house to Palestinians who decided they want to make it their capital.

You say "the Jews" but you're leaving out that there are Arab Jews and European ones. Arab Jews have lived in Palestine for hundreds of years alongside other Arabs peacefully in coexistence. The arrival of Zionist European Jews was a phenomonen of the 19th and 20th centuries. The Zionist Jews that came from Europe brought with them a supremecist ideology that, in their eyes, justified all forms of violence committed…

> I don't know what you're making or misrepresenting in your statememt about Jordan and Jerusalem

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jordanian_annexation_of_the_We...

"The Jordanians immediately expelled all the Jewish residents of East Jerusalem.[54] Mark Tessler cites John Oesterreicher as writing that during Jordanian rule, "34 out of the Old City's 35 synagogues were dynamited. Some were turned into stables, others into chicken coops.""

Which is why Palestinians should never get East Jerusalem as their capital, it's simply not theirs, not even in the nebulous way that the West Bank is.

This:

> Jews have always prospered under actual religious Muslim rule, whether in Palestine, Spain, Morocco, Iran, or otherwise. Zionism is what drove a rift between Muslims and Jews in past two centuries, as prior to this there never was one.

Is not true, as even a cursory view of the history will reveal endless massacres of Jews by Muslims.

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