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Re: Improved Gemini 2.5 Flash and Flash-Lite

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Post by Imustaskforhelp »

coder543 wrote: post #11
koakuma-chan wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is Grok so popular

I think it has been free in some editor plugins, which is probably a significant factor. I would rather use a model that is good than a model that is free, but different people have different priorities.

I mean, I can kinda roll through a lot of iterations with this model without worrying about any AI limits.

Y'know with all these latest models, the lines are kinda blurry actually. The definition of "good" is being foggy.

So it might as well be free as the definition of money is clear as crystal.

I also used it for some time to test on something really really niche like building telegram bot in cloudflare workers and grok-4-fast was kinda decent on that for the most part actually. So that's nice.

Re: Improved Gemini 2.5 Flash and Flash-Lite

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Post by Imustaskforhelp »

ChildOfChaos wrote: post #28

Hopefully this isn't instead of the rumoured Gemini 3 pro this week.

I think that the Gemini 3 pro might be next month I am not sure.

can I get the sources of your rumour please? (Yes I know that I can search it but I would honestly prefer it if you could share it, thanks in advance!)

Re: Improved Gemini 2.5 Flash and Flash-Lite

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Post by ChildOfChaos »

Imustaskforhelp wrote: post #32
ChildOfChaos wrote: post #28

Hopefully this isn't instead of the rumoured Gemini 3 pro this week.

I think that the Gemini 3 pro might be next month I am not sure. can I get the sources of your rumour please? (Yes I know that I can search it but I would honestly prefer it if you could share it, thanks in advance!)

Bens bites was suggesting we might be Gemini 3 pro and Claude 4.5 this week.

To be honest, I hadn't heard that elsewhere, but I haven't been following it massively this week.

Re: Improved Gemini 2.5 Flash and Flash-Lite

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Post by Imustaskforhelp »

rsc wrote: post #16
scosman wrote: post #2

Ugh. If the model name includes sem_ver version number, increment the version number when making a new release! Anthropic learned this lesson. Google, Deepseek, Kimi, OpenAI and others keep repeating it. This feels like Gemini_2.5_final_FINAL_FINAL_v2.

FWIW, the versions are not semver but they do follow a defined and regular version schema: https://ai.google.dev/gemini-api/docs/models#model-versions .

I am seeing a lot of demand for something like a semver for AI models.

Could thereotically there could be something like a semver that can be autogenerated from that defined and regular version scheme that you shared?

Like, Honestly my idea of it is that I could use something like openrouter and then just change the semver without having to worry about these soooo many things as the schema that you shared y'know?

A website / tool which can create a semver from this defined scheme and vice versa can be really cool actually :>

Re: Improved Gemini 2.5 Flash and Flash-Lite

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Post by SR2Z »

NitpickLawyer wrote: post #20
koakuma-chan wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is Grok so popular

It's pretty good and fast af. At backend stuff is ~ gpt5-mini in capabilities, writes ok code, and works good with agentic extensions like roo/kilo. My colleagues said it handles frontend creation so-so, but it's so fast that you can "roll" a couple of tries and choose the one you want. Also cheap enough to not really matter.

Yeah, the speed and price are why I use it. I find that any LLM is garbage at writing code unless it gets constant high-entropy feedback (e.g. an MCP tool reporting lint errors, a test, etc.) and the quality of the final code depends a lot more on how well the LLM was guided than the quality of the model.

A bad model with good automated tooling and prompts will beat a good model without them, and if your goal is to build good tooling and prompts you need a tighter iteration loop.

Re: Improved Gemini 2.5 Flash and Flash-Lite

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Post by PetrBrzyBrzek »

Liwink wrote: post #5

Gemini 2.5 Flash is an impressive model for its price. However, I don't understand why Gemini 2.0 Flash is still popular. From OpenRouter last week: * xAI: Grok Code Fast 1: 1.15T * Anthropic: Claude Sonnet 4: 586B * Google: Gemini 2.5 Flash: 325B * Sonoma Sky Alpha: 227B * Google: Gemini 2.0 Flash: 187B * DeepSeek: DeepSeek V3.1 (free): 180B * xAI: Grok 4 Fast (free): 158B * OpenAI: GPT-4.1 Mini: 157B * DeepSeek: De…

It’s cheaper and faster. What’s not to understand?

Re: Improved Gemini 2.5 Flash and Flash-Lite

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Post by qafy »

scosman wrote: post #2

Ugh. If the model name includes sem_ver version number, increment the version number when making a new release! Anthropic learned this lesson. Google, Deepseek, Kimi, OpenAI and others keep repeating it. This feels like Gemini_2.5_final_FINAL_FINAL_v2.

2.5 isn't the version number, its the model generation. it would only be updated when the underlying model architecture, training, etc are updated. this release is, as the name implies, the same model but likely with hardware optimizations, system prompt, and fine-tuning tweaks applied.
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