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Microsoft blocks Israel’s use of its tech in mass surveillance of Palestinians

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Re: Microsoft blocks Israel’s use of its tech in mass surveillance of Palestinians

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Post by rashkov »

istjohn wrote: post #255
rashkov wrote: post #200

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The ICC did no such thing, you're probably thinking of the ICJ, which also did no such thing according to one of the judges that ruled on that decision: “I’m glad I have a chance to address that because the court’s test for deciding whether to impose measures uses the idea of plausibility. But the test is the plausibility of the rights that are asserted by the applicant, in this case South Africa” she told the BBC sh…

The UN Independent International Commission of Inquiry on the Occupied Palestinian Territory, including East Jerusalem determined that it is a genocide in a report released September 16: https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2025/09/israel-has-c...

The UN Independent International Commission of Inquiry (COI) is not a legal body, which would be the sort of body that is able to make a genocide determination. It also does not speak on behalf of the UN, given that it an independent commission of inquiry.

I am curious to see what the ICJ ruling in South Africa's case will be. That would be an actual legal body charged with making a genocide determination.

Re: Microsoft blocks Israel’s use of its tech in mass surveillance of Palestinians

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Post by dotancohen »

RajT88 wrote: post #240
dotancohen wrote: post #176

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But isn't that what Hamas did? Broke into homes and burned babies to death? Beheaded people? Pulled fetuses from pregnant women? Shoot up clinics and murder the entire staff and patients?

Taking your post at face value (which nobody should), the argument would be to punish Hamas, and not run around shooting children in the head, or setting up snipers near hospitals or UN Aid stations - both things which are confirmed by foreign doctors and aid workers.

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Post by skinkestek »

Fraterkes wrote: post #237
skinkestek wrote: post #177

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So, do we owe Germany an apology after we obliterated it to stop the nazis? Or is it kind of logical that when you vote actual genocidal maniacs into power and cheer for them as they return from murder and rape, you hide the hostages they took and refuse to do anything to stop them, then maybe you aren't completely innocent?

Can you make this a bit clearer for me? Quantify it? How much hardship should someone endure to make up for voting for Hamas? Losing a home? A limb? A friend? A child?

Historically you can look at Germany in 1944 and 1945 and get an idea about what people think is fair.

Hope this helps.

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Post by greenie_beans »

myth_drannon wrote: post #215

I guess time to buy more Oracle or Google stocks? They can easily provide more than needed, especially Oracle which is very friendly to Israel and Ellison is a big supporter of IDF (large donations to "Friends of the IDF" non-profit). Here is a link in case anyone wants to donate https://www.fidf.org to this amazing organization.

makes sense to do if you support genocide

Re: Microsoft blocks Israel’s use of its tech in mass surveillance of Palestinians

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Post by komali2 »

woodruffw wrote: post #202
komali2 wrote: post #162

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The op did not say Jews, he said Israelis. Apparently a poll by Haaretz found that 47% of respondents wanted to "kill every man, woman, and child in Gaza." 87% wanted complete expelsure of all Palestinians. So, the op is not quite right to say majority explicitly want to kill children, but regardless, it is frankly gross that you heard a criticism of a nation and immediately jumped to islamophobia. https://www.haaret…

For what it's worth, I agree about the Islamophobia. However, the OP in question does have a consistent track record of collectively blaming Jews (particularly whichever ones they think are Ashkenazi) for everything going on in Israel (which, notably, is not majority Ashkenazi). Their adjacent response reflects this. (It's sad that I have to say this, but to ensure that my position on I/P is clear: Israel is committi…

Ah, I hadn't seen that. Gross.

It's bizarre to me to see people litigating ethno religious debate on this tech forum. The continued existence of racism into the 21st century baffles me. It's so obviously irrational to be racist I'm especially surprised to see it represented here.

Re: Microsoft blocks Israel’s use of its tech in mass surveillance of Palestinians

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Post by groos »

grumple wrote: post #232

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Have you not seen any news coming out of Gaza for the past two years? It's a desolate flattened lunarscape. Israel never had any intent of avoiding civilian deaths. Quite the contrary in fact and they still have their eyes on the West Bank.

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Post by dotancohen »

pessimizer wrote: post #213
dotancohen wrote: post #176

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But isn't that what Hamas did? Broke into homes and burned babies to death? Beheaded people? Pulled fetuses from pregnant women? Shoot up clinics and murder the entire staff and patients?

> Broke into homes and burned babies to death? Beheaded people? Pulled fetuses from pregnant women? It's important to note that these things never happened, and you're still repeating them years later. The only baby that died on 10/7 was a 10 month old hit by crossfire. I have no idea of the third, and though I feel sure it's wrong judging by the rest of what you have said, I feel obligated to check. Try it.

I personally know two women who had their baby babies burned to death. I know them personally. Whoever told you that was lying to you.

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Post by istjohn »

FuriouslyAdrift wrote: post #220
DSingularity wrote: post #114

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Israel claims that they “don’t want to kill civilians” but historically have not substantially changed course when the killings became grotesquely excessive. It’s also arguably true that they have never even sincerely investigated any issues. Israel just gets more aggressive in the murder and bombing.

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Post by MSFT_Edging »

nailer wrote: post #245
lupusreal wrote: post #111

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Right of return for all Palestinians and their descendants, worldwide.

Also for the 850K middle eastern Jews that were kicked out of their countries by arabs?

On genetic terms, the Palestinians are virtually identical to Semitic Jews.

There's been plenty of slander to try to say they're more arab, but they're essentially close cousins.

Which leads one to believe, perhaps a large amount of the jews in the region simply moved on with the times with the new religion taking hold.

Essentially Israel/Palestine is a fight between cousins, and one side's inlaws who never actually came from the region but converted elsewhere.

So converts vs converts. Do the local converts have a say over the foreign converts?

The idea that land rights can be derived from the bible or spans of 1000s of years is silly, but the ongoing ethnic cleansing of Palestine going back to 1945 is within living memory.

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Post by skinkestek »

buellerbueller wrote: post #223
skinkestek wrote: post #177

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So, do we owe Germany an apology after we obliterated it to stop the nazis? Or is it kind of logical that when you vote actual genocidal maniacs into power and cheer for them as they return from murder and rape, you hide the hostages they took and refuse to do anything to stop them, then maybe you aren't completely innocent?

>when you vote actual genocidal maniacs into power [with the financial backing of Netanyahu] I think you omitted part of it.

The financial backing of Netanyahu:

Not withholding UN funds that Israel was tasked with distributing, right?

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