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Microsoft blocks Israel’s use of its tech in mass surveillance of Palestinians

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Re: Microsoft blocks Israel’s use of its tech in mass surveillance of Palestinians

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Post by 6510 »

lo_zamoyski wrote: post #230
sugarpimpdorsey wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a funny way to say "they fired staff that vandalized company property, broke into the CEO's office, and used an internal company website to publish and promote anti-company propaganda". That will get you fired from bussing tables or washing dishes, let alone a six-figure job at MS. Edit: Source on the last one; the first two were widely reported on in media: https://lunduke.substack.com/p/fired-microsoft-emplo…

Some people seem to think rioting and vandalism are acceptable behaviors. It's important that people engaging in such activity are dealt with swiftly and justly. Such behavior further encourages violence and destruction as acceptable behaviors in society, which they are not.

That would put you in the pro genocide camp and subject you to consequences.

Re: Microsoft blocks Israel’s use of its tech in mass surveillance of Palestinians

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Post by ars »

pessimizer wrote: post #203
vkou wrote: post #129

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Let's not get too far ahead of ourselves, here, that would have the stench of colonialism about it. It's not their land to 'return to' - after all, people already live there and they have no moral right to displace them.

Imagine you kill my dad, steal his house and turn me out into the street; you get convicted and sent to jail and your son gets to keep the house.

That what Jordan did to the Jews in Jerusalem, and then handed the house to Palestinians who decided they want to make it their capital.

Re: Microsoft blocks Israel’s use of its tech in mass surveillance of Palestinians

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Post by skinkestek »

tdeck wrote: post #191
skinkestek wrote: post #157

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You don't see the difference between imprisoning people that attack you and taking care of them (mostly, exceptions sadly exist) and storming a music festival and houses to abduct completely innocent teenagers and even toddlers to use them for leverage? Honestly?

Why do you use the term "completely innocent teenagers" only for Israelis? Are Palestinians teenagers guilty because of their ethnicity? Why do you ignore the many, many documented instances of torture in Israeli prisons, and the fact that the man who runs that prison system, Itamar Ben Gvir, idolizes a mass shooter who murdered Palestinians and has been convicted for supporting terrorism?

The people at the Nova festival wasn't throwing rocks at police or military when they were abducted. Neither were they trying to smuggle bombs, slash throats, stab elderly or any of the other things Palestinian Arabs get locked up for.

That is what I meant by completely innocent.

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Also, any reason why you mention Ben Gvir but not the many Palestinian Arab leaders who says worse?

Any reason you don't mention the hundreds of thousands of Israelis who fill the street to protest its current government and the absolute lack of anyone who protests Hamas in the streets of Gaza?

Re: Microsoft blocks Israel’s use of its tech in mass surveillance of Palestinians

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Post by ars »

basilgohar wrote: post #185
vkou wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let's not get too far ahead of ourselves, here, that would have the stench of colonialism about it. It's not their land to 'return to' - after all, people already live there and they have no moral right to displace them.

How do you think Israel was formed in the first place? Or is your comment intentionally ironic?

In the fist place? That was 3,000 or so years ago.

Re: Microsoft blocks Israel’s use of its tech in mass surveillance of Palestinians

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Post by skinkestek »

komali2 wrote: post #171
skinkestek wrote: post #157

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You don't see the difference between imprisoning people that attack you and taking care of them (mostly, exceptions sadly exist) and storming a music festival and houses to abduct completely innocent teenagers and even toddlers to use them for leverage? Honestly?

There is no justification for Israel's occupation and apartheid of Palestine. The attacks on civilians are unjustifiable as well but the trigger for them wasn't random - Hamas never would have come to power if Israel didn't occupy Palestine, let alone fund Hamas with the explicit stayed goal by Benjamin Netanyahu to divide Palestinian politics. Look to Israel, the source of decades of suffering for everyone in the re…

That would be a valid point if they were guilty of "occupation and apartheid of Palestine" and the situation wasn't just a military administration of land that has been unclaimed since 1917 and the collapse of the Ottoman empire.

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Post by dotancohen »

ARandumGuy wrote: post #208
dotancohen wrote: post #176

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But isn't that what Hamas did? Broke into homes and burned babies to death? Beheaded people? Pulled fetuses from pregnant women? Shoot up clinics and murder the entire staff and patients?

Nothing Hamas has done justifies what Israel is doing to Palestinian civilians, because collective punishment is a war crime. "But they did it first" is not a valid excuse, especially when trying to excuse mass starvation and bombing population centers.

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Re: Microsoft blocks Israel’s use of its tech in mass surveillance of Palestinians

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Post by bArray »

d0gsg0w00f wrote: post #236
bArray wrote: post #97

The issue that people have with Israel's actions is the death of civilians, not the death of Hamas, the widely recognised terrorist. I believe it also to be true that the IDF do not want to kill civilians, and that their target is only Hamas. In which case, is it prudent to remove the IDF's ability to successfully target the correct people? Precise military intelligence is absolutely necessary for minimising civilian…

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> I know this will be unpopular, but I'm just repeating what I've heard from the Israeli side [..]

It's war, this is the unfortunate truth and why we try to avoid war. Nobody really ends up winning in this.

> This doesn't justify killing civilians, but what do you do when civilians kill you?

Then point at which a civilian picks up a weapon to operate alongside Hamas, they have become Hamas and are no longer civilians.

> It's a nasty situation no matter which side you look at it from.

Yes. But a peaceful solution was almost impossible once Hamas performed their October 7 attack. The other day the UN members agreed to recognise Palestine as a state, and now the only thing left on Hamas' manifesto is the complete destruction of Israel [1]. I suspect Israel is not inclined to negotiate on that demand.

[1] https://www.dni.gov/nctc/terrorist_groups/hamas.html

Re: Microsoft blocks Israel’s use of its tech in mass surveillance of Palestinians

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Post by bArray »

perfmode wrote: post #205
bArray wrote: post #97

The issue that people have with Israel's actions is the death of civilians, not the death of Hamas, the widely recognised terrorist. I believe it also to be true that the IDF do not want to kill civilians, and that their target is only Hamas. In which case, is it prudent to remove the IDF's ability to successfully target the correct people? Precise military intelligence is absolutely necessary for minimising civilian…

Evidence indicates the intention is to kill indiscriminately, hence the genocide determinations.

I would be interested to read the evidence for myself if you have sources?
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