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Microsoft blocks Israel’s use of its tech in mass surveillance of Palestinians

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Re: Microsoft blocks Israel’s use of its tech in mass surveillance of Palestinians

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Post by tdeck »

skinkestek wrote: post #157
tdeck wrote: post #133

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You seem to be unaware of all the Palestinian hostages Israel has been taking for decades. Thousands of people locked up without trial or charges, many of them children. Please educate yourself.

You don't see the difference between imprisoning people that attack you and taking care of them (mostly, exceptions sadly exist) and storming a music festival and houses to abduct completely innocent teenagers and even toddlers to use them for leverage? Honestly?

Why do you use the term "completely innocent teenagers" only for Israelis? Are Palestinians teenagers guilty because of their ethnicity? Why do you ignore the many, many documented instances of torture in Israeli prisons, and the fact that the man who runs that prison system, Itamar Ben Gvir, idolizes a mass shooter who murdered Palestinians and has been convicted for supporting terrorism?

Re: Microsoft blocks Israel’s use of its tech in mass surveillance of Palestinians

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Post by 7952 »

skinkestek wrote: post #157
tdeck wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You seem to be unaware of all the Palestinian hostages Israel has been taking for decades. Thousands of people locked up without trial or charges, many of them children. Please educate yourself.

You don't see the difference between imprisoning people that attack you and taking care of them (mostly, exceptions sadly exist) and storming a music festival and houses to abduct completely innocent teenagers and even toddlers to use them for leverage? Honestly?

Of course there is a difference. And if you did some kind of scoring exercise you may be able to say that one entity is objectively worse than the other. But so what? That score does not justify the killing of innocent people by either side.

Re: Microsoft blocks Israel’s use of its tech in mass surveillance of Palestinians

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Post by dismalaf »

dragonwriter wrote: post #63
dismalaf wrote: post #46

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Yes, Netanyahu thought that pulling out of Gaza completely, giving them money and allowing them to hold jobs in Israel would improve their economic standing enough to make them docile enough to not attack. He was obviously wrong. And preferring them to the PLO in the wake of the second intifada was reasonable. All Palestinian groups claim to want to kill all Jews, but at that point in time the PLO had actually done i…

Israel, despite its PR, never actually took its foot off Gaza conpletely, continuing regular unprovoked cross-border killings of civilians within Gaza, among other means of exercising control and preventing economic development and activity (though for preventing economic activity specifically, other means were more significant, mainly the intermittent blockade before 2007 and the full blockade from 2007 on.)

> unprovoked

Your bias is showing...

"Unprovoked", except the regular rocket attacks and other acts of terrorism.

Israel actually put up with a lot, way more than any other country would, because they had the Iron Dome.

Re: Microsoft blocks Israel’s use of its tech in mass surveillance of Palestinians

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Post by Waterluvian »

nashadelic wrote: post #179
sugarpimpdorsey wrote: post #139

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That's a funny way to say "they fired staff that vandalized company property, broke into the CEO's office, and used an internal company website to publish and promote anti-company propaganda". That will get you fired from bussing tables or washing dishes, let alone a six-figure job at MS. Edit: Source on the last one; the first two were widely reported on in media: https://lunduke.substack.com/p/fired-microsoft-emplo…

They've been raising the alarm for months. If this extreme action is what it took Microsoft to look into genocide and then terminate the contract, it was absolutely the right call

Not that you're implying this, but making an "absolutely the right call" does not in any way shield one from consequences.

Heck, it's usually because one will be punished that doing the right thing is in any manner noble. Otherwise it's just meeting minimum expectations as a human.

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Post by buellerbueller »

dotancohen wrote: post #124
ngcazz wrote: post #95

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Well, the average org isn't out there literally committing genocide

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The UN says differently. Should I just take Israel's word for it?

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Post by kelipso »

Aarostotle wrote: post #175
meowface wrote: post #123

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The difference is that pre-2023 it could at least have some plausible excuse of trying to detect terrorist activity. With Israel's current actions in Gaza, there is no longer any plausible excuse or defense for any security action Israel is conducting towards Palestinians.

Did something happen in 2023 that makes it _less_ relevant for Israel to try to prevent terrorist activity?

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Post by albulab »

lupusreal wrote: post #144
vkou wrote: post #129

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Let's not get too far ahead of ourselves, here, that would have the stench of colonialism about it. It's not their land to 'return to' - after all, people already live there and they have no moral right to displace them.

They have been deliberately displaced by Israeli's apartheid government giving Jewish people around the world a "right to return" to Israel. Except unlike the Palestinians, they were never from Israel in the first place so the term "right to return" as used by Israel is nothing but colonialist propaganda. Undoing colonialism isn't colonialism.

Hey chatgpt how many jews displaced from Arab countries in 1948? and how many descendants they have today?

Re: Microsoft blocks Israel’s use of its tech in mass surveillance of Palestinians

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Post by rashkov »

rozap wrote: post #119
bArray wrote: post #97

The issue that people have with Israel's actions is the death of civilians, not the death of Hamas, the widely recognised terrorist. I believe it also to be true that the IDF do not want to kill civilians, and that their target is only Hamas. In which case, is it prudent to remove the IDF's ability to successfully target the correct people? Precise military intelligence is absolutely necessary for minimising civilian…

[edited to remove snark] there is a ton of evidence to the contrary, that the killing of civilians is intentional and systematic. that's why the ICC (finally) determined it is a genocide.

The ICC did no such thing, you're probably thinking of the ICJ, which also did no such thing according to one of the judges that ruled on that decision:

“I’m glad I have a chance to address that because the court’s test for deciding whether to impose measures uses the idea of plausibility. But the test is the plausibility of the rights that are asserted by the applicant, in this case South Africa” she told the BBC show HARDtalk.

“The court decided that the Palestinians had a plausible right to be protected from genocide and that South Africa had the right to present that claim in the court,” Donoghue said. “It then looked at the facts as well. But it did not decide—and this is something where I’m correcting what’s often said in the media—it didn’t decide that the claim of genocide was plausible.”

“It did emphasize in the order that there was a risk of irreparable harm to the Palestinian right to be protected from genocide,” she added. “But the shorthand that often appears, which is that there’s a plausible case of genocide, isn’t what the court decided.”

Donoghue’s term on the bench expired a few days after the court delivered its initial ruling on Jan. 26.

https://www.jns.org/former-top-hague-judge-media-wrong-to-re...

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