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Re: Cloudflare Email Service: private beta

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Post by fibers »

2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #17
gethly wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Was about to comment on this but you got right to the point. All of this is because people are lazy to build, let alone maintain, their own damn programs and servers.

It's not laziness, it's greed. People want to build and host their own things but that costs money.

Is this even true for such a sensitive subject like email where there are insane blacklists/whitelists everywhere in which you are forced to use a middleman either way so your emails enter someone's inbox?

Re: Cloudflare Email Service: private beta

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Post by jasonfrost »

pier25 wrote: post #28
albertgoeswoof wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Try https://mailpace.com The lowest plan $40/year for 1k emails/month isn’t on the Pricing page, but you can select it when signing up.

Thanks. It's not very smart to not list that plan in the pricing page IMO.

Or migadu for 19/yr

Re: Cloudflare Email Service: private beta

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Post by sophacles »

2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #17
gethly wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Was about to comment on this but you got right to the point. All of this is because people are lazy to build, let alone maintain, their own damn programs and servers.

It's not laziness, it's greed. People want to build and host their own things but that costs money.

And this sentiment of "every company should have to run their own servers and pay 'me' to do that at a higher cost" isn't greed?

Re: Cloudflare Email Service: private beta

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Post by hamdingers »

gethly wrote: post #9
mosura wrote: post #4

Eventually all Internet protocols will be MITMed by cloudflare. Your single point of interception!

Was about to comment on this but you got right to the point. All of this is because people are lazy to build, let alone maintain, their own damn programs and servers.

A lot more people and organizations would self-host email if it wasn't a minefield. It's not laziness that Google and Microsoft have effectively decided nobody's allowed to do that.

Re: Cloudflare Email Service: private beta

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Post by sgt »

maz1b wrote: post #26

It's unfortunate that email hosting and email infrastructure can really be done only well by major players. The days of people running and maintaining their own are pretty much long gone. Fwiw, not a knock against CF. I like their products, mostly simple, fair pricing, etc. Just a bit unfortunate commentary on the state of email infra on the internet.

This is a myth though (with some truth to it in certain cases). I've run my own mail infrastructure since 1999, no issues.

Re: Cloudflare Email Service: private beta

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Post by mosura »

neximo64 wrote: post #27
mosura wrote: post #4

Eventually all Internet protocols will be MITMed by cloudflare. Your single point of interception!

And then they'll offer to 'protect' you from AI scrapers for a fee and then bulk negotiate against Google, etc for another fee.

I am certain this is the intended endgame. LinkedIn/X style verification to prove you are not a bot once the hold is in enough places.

That such a database has other uses would be a happy coincidence.

Re: Cloudflare Email Service: private beta

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Post by friendzis »

rcleveng wrote: post #21
pier25 wrote: post #5

Great move. Will probably switch to it immediately from Sendgrid as soon as it goes GA. Sendgrid recently killed their free tier (100 emails per day) and their lowest plan is now $20/month for 50,000 emails. It's totally overkill for low traffic projects.

Even with those pricing structures, 95%[1] of the spam I get comes from sendgrid. To their credit, their abuse@ address is good at handling the reports and they reply with a followup that the report was received and able to be acted upon[2]. The volume of spam (for me) doesn't seem to be decreasing from them, so there's a lot of moles to whack. [1] Just a guess from looking at the last weeks [2] I know it's automated…

These services are just spam-circumvention as a service. It's cheaper and easier to pay 20 bucks to sendgrid and let them fight the fight with google/microsoft/yahoo than to circumvent spam protections of the big providers.

You can very reasonably and reliably expect spam amount to correlate with the cost of sending said spam or expected return. At any service. There used to be a time where you HAD to check your mailbox several times a week or it would (literally) overflow with spam.

Re: Cloudflare Email Service: private beta

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Post by nojs »

RandomBacon wrote: post #22

My understanding is that "Best Practice" is to use different companies for different services (not to have all of your "eggs in one basket") in case something goes wrong with one company and they take everything down. This is what I have... Domain Name Registrar: Dynadot DNS: Cloudlare Hosting: Dreamhost Email: Fastmail Should everything be under Cloudflare? I think they also do domain name registration and now, soon…

They do, it’s call “pages”

Re: Cloudflare Email Service: private beta

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Post by superkuh »

No doubt cloudflare will refuse to receive emails from any mailservers except those that run special cloudflare extensions or whatever. It'll be a whitelist that's mostly corps only. For "security" of course.

And eventually it'll be so popular other mailservers will stop accepting mail from any except cloudflare/ms/apple/etc.

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