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Re: Helium Browser

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Post by MarcelOlsz »

andriesm wrote: post #240
johnisgood wrote: post #221

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I remember the times, too, when the person behind the code did not matter. The code did.

I had to google the controversy, found one dedicated blog site page about it, read it thoroughly and think it is insane to call this dude controversial based on what I read on https://hyperborea.org/reviews/software/ladybird-inclusivity... I'm tired of people who are doing such great work being labeled politically over things like pronoun preferences and somehow this is supposed to make us wish for the projects failu…

Knew what the "controversy" was without even clicking.

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Post by dotancohen »

rkomorn wrote: post #157
theK wrote: post #146

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I dont see how the competitiveness argument can still stand. I've been using both browsers for the better part of two decades now and chrome/chromium never was the better product. Sure it had slightly better devtools for a while but nowadays it is very difficult to argue either way. Performance was rubbish on both ends for years in a row, right now both seem to do fine. Firefox has sync, a significantly better produc…

As someone who almost compulsively changes browsers every so often with the mistaken belief that "there's gotta be something better" and has swung by Firefox on multiple occasions, it has never offered me any compelling reason to stick with it beyond not being Chrome. Zen came close, but also didn't stick. Containers seemed nice at first but my personal usage of them devolved into an over abundance of containers to i…

Try Tree Style Tabs.

That's gotten me married to Firefox. The hierarchical vertical tab management makes research and general web browsing far more efficient and productive. It also helps me know which tabs I can close when I'm done.

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Post by swiftcoder »

godelski wrote: post #238
swiftcoder wrote: post #177

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The subscription thing is key, although maybe a generational thing. I would happily pay a flat $60-100 for each major version upgrade I choose to adopt, but I won't just give them a direct monthly tap into my bank account.

So do you donate that amount every major release?

It's purely a theoretical, since nobody has offered me a choice of that model - either I'm a source of ad revenue whether I want to be or not (Chrome, FireFox, Safari), or I'm in a captive ecosystem where I'm already paying a premium (Safari, Chrome for android)

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Post by dotancohen »

user432678 wrote: post #172
godelski wrote: post #151

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Allow me to rephrase my earlier choice Chromium: Entirely dependent on Google, a $3T company who's entire business model relies upon invading your privacy and currently has a >70% global share of browsers WebKit: A closed source browser with ~18% of browser share and run by a nearly $4T company who forces all browsers on their mobile devices to be reskinned versions of their browser and probably wants to do the same…

My problem with donating to Mozilla is the donation goes into a pocket of their greedy CEO and only a small fraction to those who do the browser development. And that’s mostly why I donate to Ladybird.

Well said. Though I use Firefox, I have not donated after a Mozilla CEO quadrupled CEO pay after taking the helm.

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Post by user3939382 »

0xEF wrote: post #215
user3939382 wrote: post #180

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The answer is to get rid of the web, JS, and HTTP. I’m working on it.

Okay, what's the plan?

I’ll do a show HN if I can actually get it working. Best case scenario will mean not only goodbye to the browser but the app stores as well.

Re: Helium Browser

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Post by xpe »

chneu wrote: post #135
godelski wrote: post #124

> Helium is based on Chromium > Best privacy by default Sorry, pass... Even with un-googled Chromium I do not think these statements are self-consistent. We need browsers that do not allow Google to control the ecosystem. We need legitimate competition. So what, our choices are Firefox (Gecko), Safari (WebKit), and Ladybird? Personally I go with Firefox on most devices and Orion (WebKit) on my iPhone and iPad. > Heli…

Security isn't just about your data. It's about the security of an open web. Having one rendering engine that controls everything is not secure.

“Resilience” conveys your meaning better than “security”, and it calls to mind more relevant interventions.

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Post by meindnoch »

rjh29 wrote: post #185
pjmlp wrote: post #150

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Yeah, everyone is doing their little contribution to help Google take over the Web and turn it into ChromeOS Platform. Why did we ever bothered with the IE lawsuit, for a newer generation to give the Web on a plate to Google?

Because at the time IE6 was a terrible browser with poor standards support, while Chrome is an excellent browser with leading standards support. It is a gilded cage.

>Chrome is an excellent browser with leading standards support

Yes, Chrome has leading standards™ [1] support!

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[1] A so-called standard™ is a piece of source code that sits on the main branch of the Chromium repository. Not to be confused with actual standards!

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Post by Propelloni »

lenkite wrote: post #208
Zardoz84 wrote: post #196

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I hope that not. Or at least, get out of the control of the controversial person behind it. If I would put all the eggs on a basket, I will prefer Servo.

Does the person's political opinion even matter if the product is good quality ? 20 years ago, nobody used to care.

Yes, it does. Otherwise we wouldn't care that really great shoes are stitched together by indentured children somewhere far away.

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Post by jnrk »

adrr wrote: post #123
ulrikrasmussen wrote: post #107

Can someone explain to me why most browser forks are based on Chromium? If the goal is to make a privacy focused browser which is independent of Google, isn't it then a bit counterproductive to put all your eggs in a basket which only exists due to the goodwill of your main competitor? Why not webkit or Gecko? There might be a good argument for it, but as a person concerned with privacy and the future freedom of the…

Couple main reasons: 1) BSD license vs a CopyLeft license. Edge, Opera etc don't want to push their changes back up. 2) Compatibility and performance is why Brave switched from Gecko to Chromium. 75% of the marketshare is chromium based browsers so sites will more than likely work with chromium browsers. I don't why webkit is more popular. Maybe because it(Apple) is slow to adopt standards.

> I don't why webkit is more popular.

Because Safari comes pre-installed on billions of devices?

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