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New bacteria, and two potential antibiotics, discovered in soil

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Re: New bacteria, and two potential antibiotics, discovered in soil

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Turns out the old saying, "Let the kids play and eat dirt," might’ve been right all along—who knew? All this time, they might've been giving themselves tiny doses of natural antibacterials without even realizing it.

So basically the FDA’s been scooped by toddlers with mud pies XD tough break for modern pharma.

Re: New bacteria, and two potential antibiotics, discovered in soil

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It's great that we may have two new antibiotics!

Now, it'd be nice to keep those for as long as possible. Is regulation on the use of these feasible? I'd think that if your law just restricts its use on animals (which I believe is where the majority of antibiotic-resistance comes from) that would be easier to pass than if you tried to restrict its use on humans, but I don't know if there's precedent for it.

Re: New bacteria, and two potential antibiotics, discovered in soil

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Turns out the old saying, "Let the kids play and eat dirt," might’ve been right all along—who knew? All this time, they might've been giving themselves tiny doses of natural antibacterials without even realizing it.

> Turns out the old saying, "Let the kids play and eat dirt," might’ve been right all along—who knew?

Everyone? That's not an unusual position by any means. It's known as the Hygiene Hypothesis.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hygiene_hypothesis

Re: New bacteria, and two potential antibiotics, discovered in soil

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> hundreds of complete bacterial genomes never seen before Welllll that doesn’t sound like a great idea

Just because you don't know they are there doesn't mean they aren't there!

It's like you've never heard that what you don't know can't hurt you.

Re: New bacteria, and two potential antibiotics, discovered in soil

#45

It's great that we may have two new antibiotics! Now, it'd be nice to keep those for as long as possible. Is regulation on the use of these feasible? I'd think that if your law just restricts its use on animals (which I believe is where the majority of antibiotic-resistance comes from) that would be easier to pass than if you tried to restrict its use on humans, but I don't know if there's precedent for it.

antibios are rotated in and out until wild strains are vulnerable again

Re: New bacteria, and two potential antibiotics, discovered in soil

#46

It's great that we may have two new antibiotics! Now, it'd be nice to keep those for as long as possible. Is regulation on the use of these feasible? I'd think that if your law just restricts its use on animals (which I believe is where the majority of antibiotic-resistance comes from) that would be easier to pass than if you tried to restrict its use on humans, but I don't know if there's precedent for it.

antibios are rotated in and out until wild strains are vulnerable again

I have never heard about this before.

Good news if true. Antibiotics seem to be a bit of a Tragedy of the Commons situation though; my intuition is that people should do this but probably won't.

Re: New bacteria, and two potential antibiotics, discovered in soil

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Is there a good explainer of the challenges of growing dirt based bacteria in the lab?

All bacteria need specific environments. If we want to culture something, we should know where these bacteria are and what they like. But before modern DNA sequencing, it was too expensive to do.

Re: New bacteria, and two potential antibiotics, discovered in soil

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Turns out the old saying, "Let the kids play and eat dirt," might’ve been right all along—who knew? All this time, they might've been giving themselves tiny doses of natural antibacterials without even realizing it.

A lot of old ideas that seem nonsensical or superstitious at first often end up making logical sense over time. For instance on infected wounds the Egyptian's used poultices that included moldy bread which intuitively seems kind of... crazy. Except that mold likely included species of penicillium which would thousands of years later be accidentally [re]discovered and isolated as penicillin, so they likely were exploiting genuine antibacterial properties, even if they lacked the knowledge of exactly why it was working.

Now the first guy who decided to try to treat an infected wound with mold... something's wrong with that guy, but that's the nice thing about having a lot of us trying all sorts of goofy stuff. Sometimes crazy turns out to be right!

Re: New bacteria, and two potential antibiotics, discovered in soil

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Is there a good explainer of the challenges of growing dirt based bacteria in the lab?

I'm going to guess that a lot of soil bacteria exist in complex ecological networks, aka depend on the presence of other microbes (or at least their byproducts), which runs counter to our obsession (with good reason) with getting pure cultures when culturing them. The secondary metabolites and various factors produced by bacteria are extremely diverse, and it's a lot of work to try to try every combination.

Turns out that growing infectious bacteria is a usually easier since they often grow in rich/meat broths at body temperatures.

A few years ago a group at Northeastern developed a device that allows single bacteria/colonies to be isolated while still in indirect contact with the soil.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isolation_chip

In situ cultivation of previously uncultivable microorganisms using the ichip https://www.nature.com/articles/nprot.2017.074 https://sci-hub.ru/10.1038/nprot.2017.074

Looks like they patented it, not sure if others are working on similar things.

To better answer your question, the inventor of the device has his own theories as to why this happens (although I like my idea better)..

The phenomenon of microbial uncultivability https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S13695...

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