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Snapdragon X2 Elite ARM Laptop CPU

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Re: Snapdragon X2 Elite ARM Laptop CPU

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Post by unconed »

brokencode wrote: post #31
electroly wrote: post #30

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Surface Pro 11 owner here. SQL Server won't install on ARM without hacks. Hyper-V does not support nested virtualization on ARM. Most games are broken with unplayable graphical glitches with Qualcomm video drivers, but fortunately not all. Most Windows recovery tools do not support ARM: no Media Creation Tool, no Installation Assistant, and recovery drives created on x64 machines aren't compatible [EDIT: see reply, I…

That’s brutal.. I wonder why the Apple Silicon transition seemed so much smoother in comparison.

Apple already went through this before with PowerPC -> x86. They had universal binaries, Rosetta, etc. to build off of. And they got to do it with their own hardware, which includes some special instructions intended to help with emulation.

Re: Snapdragon X2 Elite ARM Laptop CPU

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Post by p_ing »

alphabettsy wrote: post #46
piskov wrote: post #40

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Most consumers don’t care about local LLMs anyway.

Yet the apps top the App Store charts. Considering that these are not upgradable I think the specs are relevant. Just as I thought Apple shipping systems with 8 GB minimums was not good future proofing.

Looking at the Mac App Store in the US, no they don't. There's not an LLM app in sight (local or otherwise).

Re: Snapdragon X2 Elite ARM Laptop CPU

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Post by oldpersonintx2 »

otterley wrote: post #13
evanjrowley wrote: post #10

Today Qualcomm CEO stated[0] that the combination of Android and ChromeOS, e.g. Android Computers, will be available on Snapdragon laptops. Maybe these X2 CPUs will be in those laptops. [0] https://www.techradar.com/phones/android/ive-seen-it-its-inc...

Does anyone buy these?

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Re: Snapdragon X2 Elite ARM Laptop CPU

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Post by makeitdouble »

otterley wrote: post #13
evanjrowley wrote: post #10

Today Qualcomm CEO stated[0] that the combination of Android and ChromeOS, e.g. Android Computers, will be available on Snapdragon laptops. Maybe these X2 CPUs will be in those laptops. [0] https://www.techradar.com/phones/android/ive-seen-it-its-inc...

Does anyone buy these?

For people complaining about battery control and android emulation on linux, ChromeOS is a boon.

You effectively get an actual Linux distro + most of android, with a side of Chrome. It's way closer to "a real computer" than an iPad for instance, and only loses to the Surface Pro/Z13 line in term of versatility IMHO.

It really wasn't bad, my only deal breakers were keyboard remapping being non existent and the bluetooth stack being flaky.

Re: Snapdragon X2 Elite ARM Laptop CPU

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Post by kkaske »

If Snapdragon (or ARM players in general) wanted to challenge x86 and Apple dominance, do they need to compete in the exact same arena? Could they carve out a niche (example: ultra-efficient always-on machines) and then expand?

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Post by goosedragons »

electroly wrote: post #43
goosedragons wrote: post #39

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You ABSOLUTELY do not have to create a recovery drive from a Snapdragon based device. I've done it multiple times from x64 Windows for both a SPX and 11.

Hmm, thank you, that's good to know. Did you just apply the Snapdragon driver zip over the x64 recovery drive? It didn't work for me when my OS killed itself but I could easily have done something wrong in my panic over the machine not working. Since I only have the one Snapdragon device, I was making the assumption that it would have worked if I had a second one, but I didn't actually know that.

Yes, just copy the zip over like the instructions say.

Re: Snapdragon X2 Elite ARM Laptop CPU

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Post by cmxch »

groguzt wrote: post #27

Linux support is still basically non-existent for the first gen, and they made all this deal about supporting Linux and the open source community. This is to say, don't trust them

They “supported Linux” by putting it in a virtual machine guarded by the hardware against the machine’s owner. No thank you.

Re: Snapdragon X2 Elite ARM Laptop CPU

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Post by packetlost »

cogman10 wrote: post #38
wmf wrote: post #35

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My (admittedly cynical) interpretation is that they are dropping support for desktop Linux completely and shipping Android drivers instead.

That'd definitely fit the Qualcom pattern of trying to force you to update by not upstreaming their linux drivers. This is one place where windows has an advantage over linux. Window's longterm support for device drivers is generally really good. A driver written for Vista is likely to run on 11.

A stable driver ABI will do that. And a couple billion in revenue to fund bending over backwards to make sure stuff doesn't break.

Re: Snapdragon X2 Elite ARM Laptop CPU

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Post by ugh123 »

daniel_iversen wrote: post #6

“Multi-day” battery life sounds wild! That’s probably the biggest thing for users. It would be good for Apple to get some competition because their M-chips seemed so far away from everything else.

Any battery life claim needs to be aligned with the consumer-class operating system and application layer (iOS, Android, etc). Multi-day battery life on a non-Google-Pixel Android device with typical usage would be interesting.

Re: Snapdragon X2 Elite ARM Laptop CPU

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Post by delfinom »

thewebguyd wrote: post #20
cultofmetatron wrote: post #9

why is it so hard for these companies to do any kind of descent marketing? more importantly, when do we get descent macbook air competitors?

> when do we get descent macbook air competitors When laptop OEMs stop catering to the lowest common denominator corporate IT purchasers (departments which don't care about screen quality, speaker quality, or much of anything else outside of does the spec sheet on paper match our requirements and is it cheap).

I have a Yoga Slim 7x, which has the ARM. Screen quality is fantastic along with build quality, touchpad and keyboard feel :shrug:

It really depends on what Laptop line you buy. Dells have overwhelmingly become garbage, right next to HP.

Speaker quality on a laptop oth? Couldn't care less, I use headphones/earbuds 99% of the time because If I'm going portable computer, I'm traveling and I don't want to be an inconsiderate arse.

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