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Snapdragon X2 Elite ARM Laptop CPU

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Re: Snapdragon X2 Elite ARM Laptop CPU

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Post by brokencode »

electroly wrote: post #30
typpilol wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How's the compatibility? Are there any apps that don't work that are critical?

Surface Pro 11 owner here. SQL Server won't install on ARM without hacks. Hyper-V does not support nested virtualization on ARM. Most games are broken with unplayable graphical glitches with Qualcomm video drivers, but fortunately not all. Most Windows recovery tools do not support ARM: no Media Creation Tool, no Installation Assistant, and recovery drives created on x64 machines aren't compatible [EDIT: see reply, I…

That’s brutal.. I wonder why the Apple Silicon transition seemed so much smoother in comparison.

Re: Snapdragon X2 Elite ARM Laptop CPU

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Post by drewg123 »

Does anybody know if the X2 supports the x86 Total store ordering (TSO) memory ordering model? That's how Apple silicon does such efficient emulation of x86. I'd think that would be even MORE important for a Windows ARM64 laptop where there is so much more legacy x86 software going back decades.

Re: Snapdragon X2 Elite ARM Laptop CPU

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Post by bitwize »

brokencode wrote: post #31
electroly wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Surface Pro 11 owner here. SQL Server won't install on ARM without hacks. Hyper-V does not support nested virtualization on ARM. Most games are broken with unplayable graphical glitches with Qualcomm video drivers, but fortunately not all. Most Windows recovery tools do not support ARM: no Media Creation Tool, no Installation Assistant, and recovery drives created on x64 machines aren't compatible [EDIT: see reply, I…

That’s brutal.. I wonder why the Apple Silicon transition seemed so much smoother in comparison.

Because it was handled by the only tech company left that actually cares about the end user. Not exactly a mystery.

Re: Snapdragon X2 Elite ARM Laptop CPU

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Post by wmf »

wyldfire wrote: post #29
groguzt wrote: post #27

Linux support is still basically non-existent for the first gen, and they made all this deal about supporting Linux and the open source community. This is to say, don't trust them

The truth is much more subtle than "nonexistent" IMO [1]. Clearly it's a priority because the support for ChromeOS/android support is a big headline this year. [1] https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/ubuntu-24-10-concept-snapdrag... Also worth noting that not all the bits needing support are inside of the Snapdragon, so specific vendor support from Dell, Lenovo etc is required.

My (admittedly cynical) interpretation is that they are dropping support for desktop Linux completely and shipping Android drivers instead.

Re: Snapdragon X2 Elite ARM Laptop CPU

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Post by smcleod »

Their top model still only has "Up to 228 GB/s" bandwdith which places it in the low end category for anything AI related, for comparison Apple Silicon is up to 800GB/s and Nvidia cards around 1800GB/s and no word if it supports 256-512GB of memory.

Re: Snapdragon X2 Elite ARM Laptop CPU

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Post by cogman10 »

wmf wrote: post #35
wyldfire wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The truth is much more subtle than "nonexistent" IMO [1]. Clearly it's a priority because the support for ChromeOS/android support is a big headline this year. [1] https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/ubuntu-24-10-concept-snapdrag... Also worth noting that not all the bits needing support are inside of the Snapdragon, so specific vendor support from Dell, Lenovo etc is required.

My (admittedly cynical) interpretation is that they are dropping support for desktop Linux completely and shipping Android drivers instead.

That'd definitely fit the Qualcom pattern of trying to force you to update by not upstreaming their linux drivers.

This is one place where windows has an advantage over linux. Window's longterm support for device drivers is generally really good. A driver written for Vista is likely to run on 11.

Re: Snapdragon X2 Elite ARM Laptop CPU

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Post by goosedragons »

electroly wrote: post #30
typpilol wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How's the compatibility? Are there any apps that don't work that are critical?

Surface Pro 11 owner here. SQL Server won't install on ARM without hacks. Hyper-V does not support nested virtualization on ARM. Most games are broken with unplayable graphical glitches with Qualcomm video drivers, but fortunately not all. Most Windows recovery tools do not support ARM: no Media Creation Tool, no Installation Assistant, and recovery drives created on x64 machines aren't compatible [EDIT: see reply, I…

You ABSOLUTELY do not have to create a recovery drive from a Snapdragon based device. I've done it multiple times from x64 Windows for both a SPX and 11.

Re: Snapdragon X2 Elite ARM Laptop CPU

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Post by piskov »

smcleod wrote: post #37

Their top model still only has "Up to 228 GB/s" bandwdith which places it in the low end category for anything AI related, for comparison Apple Silicon is up to 800GB/s and Nvidia cards around 1800GB/s and no word if it supports 256-512GB of memory.

Most consumers don’t care about local LLMs anyway.
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