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Re: Yt-dlp: Upcoming new requirements for YouTube downloads

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Post by nebula8804 »

SV_BubbleTime wrote: post #144
mtrovo wrote: post #132

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I don't know, it's really hard to blame them. In a way, the next couple of years are going to be a battle to balance easy access to info with compensation for content creators. The web as we knew it before ChatGPT was built around the idea that humans have to scavenge for information, and while they're doing that, you can show them ads. In that world, content didn't need to be too protected because you were making up…

Don’t worry! Ads are coming to AI. The big AI push next will be context, your context all the time. Your phone will “help” and get all your data to OpenAI… “It looks like you went for a run today? Good job, you deserve a treat! Studies show a little ice cream after a long run is effectively free calories! It just so happens the nearest Dairy Queen is running a promotion just for the next 30 minutes. I’m getting you d…

If open source AI becomes good enough would this model hold? I guess they will try to shut down the open models as they come close?

Re: Yt-dlp: Upcoming new requirements for YouTube downloads

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Post by getcrunk »

ddtaylor wrote: post #301

When I first got with my wife I seemed a bit crazier than I am because I am a media hoarder for 30+ years. I don't have any VHS, DVDs, etc. laying around because I only keep digital copies, but I have pretty decent archives. Nothing important really, just normal stuff and some rare or obscure stuff that disappears over time. My wife was interested in the idea that I was running "Netfix from home" and enjoyed the lack…

Do you have to put in cookies to avoid the sign in/bot prompt? Do you use a vpn to download yt videos?

Re: Yt-dlp: Upcoming new requirements for YouTube downloads

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Post by nicce »

arbll wrote: post #435
nicce wrote: post #413

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We are comparing to situation where the alternative is nothing. Maybe we just should remove locks from the doors because someone has lockpicked door somewhere.

I never said it was a poor choice in this specific context but propagating the idea that Deno's sandboxing is safe and "basically the same security as chrome" is wrong and can easily do damage the next time someone that has read this thread needs a way to execute untrusted JS.

Someone who understands what V8 isolation means, knows that it means process-level memory and garbage collectors. I didn't claim that it includes Chrome's OS sandbox features too.

But the usage of V8 means that Deno must explicitly provide the access (for V8) for networking and filesystem - the foundations for sandboxing are there.

Re: Yt-dlp: Upcoming new requirements for YouTube downloads

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Post by ekianjo »

femtozer wrote: post #51
piyuv wrote: post #9

I’m a paying YouTube premium subscriber. Last weekend, I wanted to download something so I can watch it on my way in the train. The app got stuck at “waiting for download..” on my iPad. Same on iPhone. Restart did not work. I gave up after an hour (30 mins hands on trying stuff, 30 mins waiting for it to fix itself). Downloaded the video using yt-dlp, transferred it to my USB c flash drive, and watched it from that.…

I also pay for YouTube Premium, but I still use ReVanced on my smartphone just to disable auto-translation. It’s absolute madness that users can’t configure this in the official app.

I wonder who got the idea at Youtube that forced auto-dub was a good idea. This shows how dysfunctional the management is. It's one thing to have assholes in your team, it's a different thing to not look at what they are doing.

Re: Yt-dlp: Upcoming new requirements for YouTube downloads

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Post by jazzyjackson »

cactusplant7374 wrote: post #368
godelski wrote: post #352

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> Why not use Brave browser Why not use a non-chromium browser and help prevent Google from having larger control over the Internet? We still need competition in the browser space or Google gets to have a disproportionate say in how the Internet is structured. I promise you, Firefox and Safari aren't that bad. Maybe Firefox is a little different but I doubt it's meaningfully different for most people [0]. So at least…

Firefox is in decline and Brave will soon overtake it. Brave blocks ads natively. There is a lot of advantage in that but we also may eventually have a new model that funds the internet. And I don't see Firefox or Safari disrupting advertising. https://data.firefox.com/dashboard/user-activity https://brave.com/transparency/

I'll just throw out there that zen-browser.app is a gentle fork of Firefox to make it look like the (abandoned, chromium) arc browser, it's great.

Re: Yt-dlp: Upcoming new requirements for YouTube downloads

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Post by yacthing »

godelski wrote: post #346
piyuv wrote: post #53

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It’ll be fixed when some product manager can offer it as a promotion project

I was talking to "my friend" about how I'm annoyed my calendar duplicates holidays because it imports from multiple calendars and he asked me "what value" would be provided if this was solved. Confused I said it pushes things off so I can't read events. He clarified he meant monetary value... We're both programmers so we're both know we're talking about a one line regex... I know quite a number of people like this an…

> We're both programmers so we're both know we're talking about a one line regex...

As a big tech programmer, it's almost never that simple...

Small edges cases not covered by a one line regex can mean big issues at scale, especially when we're talking about removing things from a calendar.

Re: Yt-dlp: Upcoming new requirements for YouTube downloads

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Post by UltraSane »

I would pay for YouTube if Google created the best possible search engine they could for it. I'm talking inverted and semantic indexing of every word of every video with speaker tagging and second level timestamping. I want to be able to runs queries like "Give me the timestamps of every time Veritasium said math while wearing a blue shirt."

Re: Yt-dlp: Upcoming new requirements for YouTube downloads

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Post by dredmorbius »

Liquix wrote: post #316
judge2020 wrote: post #222

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Mainly the theory that, if you can’t use downloaders to download videos, then people will no longer see YT as the go-to platform for any video hosting and will consider alternatives. And I call that a theory for a reason. Creators can still download their videos from YT Studio, I'm not sure how much importance there is on being able to download any video ever (and worst case scenario people could screen recording vid…

i'd argue that 95%+ of users (creators and viewers) couldn't care less about downloading videos. creators use youtube because it's where the viewers and money are, viewers use youtube because it's where all the content is. none of them are going to jump ship if yt-dlp dies. also, one could assume that the remaining 5% are either watching with vlc/mpv/etc or running an adblocker. so it's not like google is going to lo…

It's not the 95% you're concerned about, it's the 1%, or 0.0001%, who are top content creators, who both archive their own production and use YT as a research tool themselves (whether simple "reply videos" or something more substantive). Ultimately Google will kill the goose and lose the eggs.

Those creators are what drive the the bulk of viewers to the platform.

Though, come to think of it, as YT's become increasingly obnoxious to use (the native Web client is utterly intolerable, front-ends such as Invidious are increasingly fragile/broken, yt-dlp is as TFA notes becoming bogged down in greater dependencies) I simply find myself watching (or as my preference generally is, listening) to far less from the platform.

I may be well ahead of the pack, but others may reach similar conclusions in 5--10 years. Or when a less-annoying alternative clearly presents itself.

Re: Yt-dlp: Upcoming new requirements for YouTube downloads

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Post by eek2121 »

ACCount37 wrote: post #49
Andrews54757 wrote: post #30

Nsig/sig - Special tokens which must be passed to API calls, generated by code in base.js (player code). This is what has broken for yt-dlp and other third party clients. Instead of extracting the code that generates those tokens (eg using regular expressions) like we used to, we now need to run the whole base.js player code to get these tokens because the code is spread out all over the player code. PoToken - Proof…

If you ever wondered why the likes of Google and Cloudflare want to restrict the web to a few signed, integrity-checked browser implementations? Now you know.

The fact you shoved Cloudflare in there shows your ignorance of the actual problems and solutions offered.

Re: Yt-dlp: Upcoming new requirements for YouTube downloads

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Post by ticoombs »

ddtaylor wrote: post #301

When I first got with my wife I seemed a bit crazier than I am because I am a media hoarder for 30+ years. I don't have any VHS, DVDs, etc. laying around because I only keep digital copies, but I have pretty decent archives. Nothing important really, just normal stuff and some rare or obscure stuff that disappears over time. My wife was interested in the idea that I was running "Netfix from home" and enjoyed the lack…

Checkout https://github.com/meeb/tubesync
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