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Re: Yt-dlp: Upcoming new requirements for YouTube downloads

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Post by xnx »

wraptile wrote: post #58

Days of just getting data off the web are coming to an end as everything requires a full browser running thousands of lines of obfuscated js code now. So instead of a website giving me that 1kb json that could be cached now I start a full browser stack and transmit 10 megabytes through 100 requests, messing up your analytics and security profile and everyone's a loser. Yay.

It's an arms race. Websites have become stupidly/unnecessarily/hostilely complicated, but AI/LLMs have made it possible (though more expensive) to get whatever useful information exists out of them.

Soon, LLMs will be able to complete any Captcha a human can within reasonable time. When that happens, the "analog hole" may be open permanently. If you can point a camera and a microphone at it, the AI will be able to make better sense of it than a person.

Re: Yt-dlp: Upcoming new requirements for YouTube downloads

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Post by galaxy_gas »

moralestapia wrote: post #234
beala wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm also a premium subscriber, and have struggled with the same issues on the iPad app. I try to keep some shows downloaded for my toddler, and the download feature never seems to work on the first try. I finally got so fed up, I bought a Samsung Galaxy Tab A7 off ebay for $50 and flashed it with LineageOS. I can now load whatever media I want onto the 1 TB sdcard I've installed in it. The 5 year old hardware plays v…

Tangential. The TIDAL app is absolute trash, it has this same issue all the time; not just that, but also, if a download fails it just hangs there and does not download the rest of the album/playlist. Also, why would you want to download things in the first place? To watch them offline, right? Well, guess what happens when you open the app w/o an internet connection ... it asks you to login, so you cannot even access…

When I try it for a month, the worst part.. your entire download queue fails forever unless you manually remove hundreds of items one by one

There is no way to remove the stuck item if it's been pull from streaming library or you in country that -- such traveling etc -- does not have r ights to it. You simply cannot open the track to undownload it

Re: Yt-dlp: Upcoming new requirements for YouTube downloads

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Post by amlib »

phendrenad2 wrote: post #136

Good to see the mice are still winning the cat-and-mouse game. Selfishly, I kind of want the cat to start to win, to satisfy my curiosity. I predict that if YouTube ever actually blocked downloading, a YouTube competitor that supports downloading would start to immediately gain popularity. I want to know if I'm right about that, and there's no way to test unless Google actually starts to win. Go, Google, go! I believ…

I suspect that if youtube ever fully blocks video downloads you will start to see a lot of piracy groups and file sharing communities providing youtube content.

Re: Yt-dlp: Upcoming new requirements for YouTube downloads

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Post by kevin_thibedeau »

the_af wrote: post #314
kevin_thibedeau wrote: post #311

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is enabled by default. One creator of English language content had their video misclassified as Spanish and people were getting a machine English dub on an English video. Support to fix it appears to be a nightmare.

Wait, do you mean it's enabled by default but the author can disable it? If not, I wonder why I can still watch most videos in their original language (even though I'm in a Spanish-speaking country), and I only encountered this once so far.

There is supposed to be a procedure to manually remove each language dub but it was broken (at least as of last year).

Re: Yt-dlp: Upcoming new requirements for YouTube downloads

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Post by godelski »

cactusplant7374 wrote: post #368
godelski wrote: post #352

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Why not use Brave browser Why not use a non-chromium browser and help prevent Google from having larger control over the Internet? We still need competition in the browser space or Google gets to have a disproportionate say in how the Internet is structured. I promise you, Firefox and Safari aren't that bad. Maybe Firefox is a little different but I doubt it's meaningfully different for most people [0]. So at least…

Firefox is in decline and Brave will soon overtake it. Brave blocks ads natively. There is a lot of advantage in that but we also may eventually have a new model that funds the internet. And I don't see Firefox or Safari disrupting advertising. https://data.firefox.com/dashboard/user-activity https://brave.com/transparency/

I think you've missed the point entirely.

The point is that if everyone is using a single browser (not just Chrome/Chromium) then that actor gets disproportionate control over the internet. That's not good for anyone.

The specific gripe to Chromium is that _Google_ gets that say, and I think they are less trustworthy than other actors. I'm not asking anyone to trust Mozilla, but anyone suggesting Mozilla is less trustworthy than Google probably has a bridge to sell you. Remember that being Chromium still means that Brave is reliant upon Google. That leads to things like this[0,1]. Remember, the chromium source code is quite large, which is why things like [0] aren't so easily found. I also want to quote a quote from [0.1]

  This is interesting because it is a clear violation of the idea that browser vendors should not give preference to their websites over anyone elses.
That wouldn't be the first time people have found Google preferencing their browser and it is pretty known this happens with YouTube. Do we really want ANY company having such control over the internet? Do we really want Google to?

  > https://data.firefox.com/dashboard/user-activity
  > https://brave.com/transparency/
I'm not sure what you're trying to tell me here. That Brave has 64% of the number of users as Firefox? That Brave users really like Gemini, Coinbase, and Uphold? That Brave users are linking their Brave account to sites like Twitter, YouTube, Reddit, GitHub, Vimeo, and Twitch? That Brave Ads is tracking via the state level? Honestly I have more questions looking at the Brave "transparency" report, as it seems to have more information about users than Firefox...

If you're extra concerned about privacy and that's your reason for Brave, then may I suggest the Mullvad browser[2]? It is a fork of Firefox and they work with Tor to minimize tracking and fingerprinting. You get your security, privacy, and out from under the boot of Google.

[0] https://github.com/brave/brave-browser/issues/39660

[0.1] https://simonwillison.net/2024/Jul/9/hangout_servicesthunkjs...

[1] https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/google/google-to-kill-...

[2] https://mullvad.net/en/browser

Re: Yt-dlp: Upcoming new requirements for YouTube downloads

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Post by bl4kers »

cactusplant7374 wrote: post #368
godelski wrote: post #352

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Why not use Brave browser Why not use a non-chromium browser and help prevent Google from having larger control over the Internet? We still need competition in the browser space or Google gets to have a disproportionate say in how the Internet is structured. I promise you, Firefox and Safari aren't that bad. Maybe Firefox is a little different but I doubt it's meaningfully different for most people [0]. So at least…

Firefox is in decline and Brave will soon overtake it. Brave blocks ads natively. There is a lot of advantage in that but we also may eventually have a new model that funds the internet. And I don't see Firefox or Safari disrupting advertising. https://data.firefox.com/dashboard/user-activity https://brave.com/transparency/

That Brave link shows growth has flatlined

Re: Yt-dlp: Upcoming new requirements for YouTube downloads

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Post by godelski »

indymike wrote: post #379
godelski wrote: post #346

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was talking to "my friend" about how I'm annoyed my calendar duplicates holidays because it imports from multiple calendars and he asked me "what value" would be provided if this was solved. Confused I said it pushes things off so I can't read events. He clarified he meant monetary value... We're both programmers so we're both know we're talking about a one line regex... I know quite a number of people like this an…

Hmm. If the annual subscription is $100 then the value of fixing this is $100. If it is free, then, what's the profile worth for a year... there's the value. User retention is a thing.

I mean these numbers are just made up anyways, so why are engineers concerned with them? The idea of engineers needing to justify monetary value is just... ill conceived. They should be concerned with engineering problems. Let the engineering manager worry about the imaginary money numbers.

  > User retention is a thing.
Problem is no one needs to care about the product's quality if the product has the market cornered... Even less of a concern if the users don't know how to pick good products from bad products. Tech illiteracy directly leads to Lemon Markets

Re: Yt-dlp: Upcoming new requirements for YouTube downloads

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Post by xienze »

moralestapia wrote: post #234
beala wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm also a premium subscriber, and have struggled with the same issues on the iPad app. I try to keep some shows downloaded for my toddler, and the download feature never seems to work on the first try. I finally got so fed up, I bought a Samsung Galaxy Tab A7 off ebay for $50 and flashed it with LineageOS. I can now load whatever media I want onto the 1 TB sdcard I've installed in it. The 5 year old hardware plays v…

Tangential. The TIDAL app is absolute trash, it has this same issue all the time; not just that, but also, if a download fails it just hangs there and does not download the rest of the album/playlist. Also, why would you want to download things in the first place? To watch them offline, right? Well, guess what happens when you open the app w/o an internet connection ... it asks you to login, so you cannot even access…

One thing I like about Tidal though: you can download everything, DRM-free, using tidal-ng.
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