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Re: My game's server is blocked in Spain whenever there's a football match on

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Post by riffraff »

sofixa wrote: post #64
lifestyleguru wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Kick a ball, throw a ball, hit a ball, jump over the ball, stick a ball somewhere. A ball, a stick, a ring, a board. I hate that football is the default sport and was forced myself to play it in my childhood.

> I hate that football is the default sport It is the default sport because the barrier to entry is basically having a ball. Random rocks, backpacks, whatever you have can serve as the goalposts. Most other sports require other equipment too (volleyball needs the net, basketball the hoop, etc. etc.). It's also easy to understand, and being the most popular sport by far in most countries, allows for an easy appropriat…

also football can be played in basically any number, from 1:1 to 11:11, which means you can go out with a ball, meet one other kid and play, and random other kids can just join in.

I've literally seen kids unable to speak with each other because of different languages able to join a match :)

I was terrible at football as a kid so it's not like it did much for me, but one cannot deny how universal the game is.

Re: My game's server is blocked in Spain whenever there's a football match on

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Post by NickC25 »

diego_moita wrote: post #76

As a Brazilian I say: the world would be a much better place without football. It seems that being a crook is a requirement to be on the management of any national football league, from Brazilian CBF to FIFA and La Liga.

anything that encourages the youth to get outside and play makes the world a better place almost by default.

god forbid they exercise, they should be indoors studying or playing on their phones 100% of the time.

maybe the world would be a better place without football hooligans, sure. but without a sport that billions love and play? no.

Re: My game's server is blocked in Spain whenever there's a football match on

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Post by riffraff »

aosaigh wrote: post #57

I might be naive, but this is absolutely outrageous. What laws allow a private company dictate what IPs can be banned across an entire country? Are the ISPs voluntarily cooperating or are they now all obliged to follow LaLiga requests?

Tribunals. But notice that a possible outcome here is that _Cloudflare_ gets mandated by the same tribunals to perform the blocking of sport streaming sites.

This is what's happening in Italy, for example.

Re: My game's server is blocked in Spain whenever there's a football match on

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Post by kwanbix »

Hendrikto wrote: post #6
Lucasoato wrote: post #5

In Italy something similar is happening: they have split the football game rights among different competitors, so that if you want to watch every game you have to spend >100€ monthly (that's very high for our economy). To this, add the facts that there has been a major hit to illegal streaming piracy and that football games are getting extremely boring in our country (compared to the Premier League or our Serie A of…

> they have split the football game rights among different competitors, so that if you want to watch every game you have to spend >100€ monthly Same in Germany. > newest generations aren't giving a shit anymore about football Also the same in Germany. But I am not sure which direction the causality goes. Maybe people are less interested in football because of the shenanigans they are constantly pulling. Or maybe they…

Most leagues face the same issue: just one to three wealthy clubs dominate, winning around 70–80% of the time, which makes the competition less exciting. The German Bundesliga is one of the starkest examples: Bayern Munich has taken 16 of the last 20 titles.

Re: My game's server is blocked in Spain whenever there's a football match on

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Post by next_xibalba »

dabeeeenster wrote: post #65

Related (7 years ago): https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/8q1j0o/la_liga_uses... - Bars, pubs and other public establishments have to pay around 200€/month in order to show football on their TVs while the household package goes between 10 and 30€/month. - The official app, with over 10 million downloads, asks you for microphone and GPS permissions. - La Liga remotely activates the microphone and tries to detect…

I would never agree to this. But it doesn't strike me as particularly unethical, either. So long as both parties understand what they're agreeing to, this seems perfectly fine.

If, for example, the NFL ever did this, I would just not watch.

Re: My game's server is blocked in Spain whenever there's a football match on

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Post by zmgsabst »

Angostura wrote: post #97
outside2344 wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There has to be a EU privacy violation in there somewhere right? Or does that not count for giant EU companies?

It’s not personal data.

GPS of your phone and the audio from your phone?

How is that not personal data?

Re: My game's server is blocked in Spain whenever there's a football match on

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Post by ratelimitsteve »

Lucasoato wrote: post #5

In Italy something similar is happening: they have split the football game rights among different competitors, so that if you want to watch every game you have to spend >100€ monthly (that's very high for our economy). To this, add the facts that there has been a major hit to illegal streaming piracy and that football games are getting extremely boring in our country (compared to the Premier League or our Serie A of…

Currently having this fight with hockey in the US. If I want to watch all of my team's games it's $65/mo split across 3 separate services

Re: My game's server is blocked in Spain whenever there's a football match on

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Post by PlotCitizen »

pmontra wrote: post #3

Yes, we know. Internet does not work in Spain when there are football matches. It would be more interesting to know if something is getting done about this. Other businesses must work, people must communicate, the very same Spanish state must keep working. Is there any protest with at least a slight amount of hope?

> Internet does not work in Spain when there are football matches.

There's a distinction between the above statement and the truth, which is that CloudFlare and other large CDNs do not work in Spain when there are football matches.

Yes, it's not CloudFlare's fault in this instance, since I believe CloudFlare is not being notified to take action in real time. The blocking needs to happen quickly to block access to illegal streams of a live event. My understanding is that CloudFlare is largely out of the picture when this decision is happening, and CloudFlare is only taking the blame since that's what Twitch uses, which also can't react as quickly as La Liga wants.

That being said there is a solution to this that helps protect from collateral as well as the decentralized open nature of the internet: moving away from those large CDNs

Re: My game's server is blocked in Spain whenever there's a football match on

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Post by mvieira38 »

Angostura wrote: post #97
outside2344 wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There has to be a EU privacy violation in there somewhere right? Or does that not count for giant EU companies?

It’s not personal data.

Legally, you mean? Because I'd say most reasonable people would say a literal wire on your phone is pretty personal. Location is PID too if they store the data at all
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