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Re: Yt-dlp: Upcoming new requirements for YouTube downloads

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Post by piyuv »

maplethorpe wrote: post #70
piyuv wrote: post #9

I’m a paying YouTube premium subscriber. Last weekend, I wanted to download something so I can watch it on my way in the train. The app got stuck at “waiting for download..” on my iPad. Same on iPhone. Restart did not work. I gave up after an hour (30 mins hands on trying stuff, 30 mins waiting for it to fix itself). Downloaded the video using yt-dlp, transferred it to my USB c flash drive, and watched it from that.…

What video did you watch?

Nintendo Direct. Download issue persisted with all videos though

Re: Yt-dlp: Upcoming new requirements for YouTube downloads

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Post by wzdd »

supriyo-biswas wrote: post #63
ACCount37 wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you ever wondered why the likes of Google and Cloudflare want to restrict the web to a few signed, integrity-checked browser implementations? Now you know.

At least for YouTube, viewbotting is very much a thing, which undermines trust in the platform. Even if we were to remove Google ads from the equation, there’s nothing preventing someone from crafting a channel with millions of bot-generated views and comments, in order to paid sponsor placements, etc. The reasons are similar for Cloudflare, but their stances are a bit too DRMish for my tastes. I guess someone could…

Youtube has already accounted for this by using a separate endpoint to count watch stats. See the recent articles about view counts being down attributed to people using adblockers.

Even if they hadn't done that, you can craft millions of bot-sponsored views using a legitimate browser and some automation and the current update doesn't change that.

So I'd say Occam's razor applies and Youtube simply wants to be in control of how people view their videos so they can serve ads, show additional content nearby to keep them on the platform longer, track what parts of the video are most watched, and so on.

Re: Yt-dlp: Upcoming new requirements for YouTube downloads

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Post by phplovesong »

Youtube is the real monopoly. Creators are also slaves, as they cant monetize elsewhere, and also they cant let their users download their own content. And the icing on the cake is youtube is unbearable without an ad-blocker, and even with that youtube has started throttling ad-block users.

Its such a shithole, with no real replacement, sad state of affairs.

Re: Yt-dlp: Upcoming new requirements for YouTube downloads

#104

Post by eitau_1 »

sharperguy wrote: post #68

Why can youtube not just give a micropayments backed API? Just charge a few cents per video download and be done with it.

meanwhile Youtubers: a penny per view would be 10x what Youtube pays us

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nloigkUJ-U&t=4851s

Re: Yt-dlp: Upcoming new requirements for YouTube downloads

#105

Post by mavhc »

phplovesong wrote: post #103

Youtube is the real monopoly. Creators are also slaves, as they cant monetize elsewhere, and also they cant let their users download their own content. And the icing on the cake is youtube is unbearable without an ad-blocker, and even with that youtube has started throttling ad-block users. Its such a shithole, with no real replacement, sad state of affairs.

why can't they monetize elsewhere?

Re: Yt-dlp: Upcoming new requirements for YouTube downloads

#106

Post by wintermutestwin »

apetresc wrote: post #47

The writing is on the wall for easy ripping. If there's any YT content you expect you'll want to preserve for a long time, I suggest spinning up https://www.tubearchivist.com/ or something similar and archiving it now while you still can.

I agree and feel that the time is now to archive all of the truly valuable cultural and educational content that YT acquired through monopolistic means.

This solution looks interesting, but I am technical enough to know that this looks like a PITA to setup and maintain. It also seems like it is focused on downloading everything from a subbed channel.

As it is now, with a folder of downloaded videos, I just need a local web server that can interpret the video names and create an organized page with links. Is there anything like this that is very lightweight with a next next finish install?

Re: Yt-dlp: Upcoming new requirements for YouTube downloads

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Post by johnebgd »

jasode wrote: post #99
ACCount37 wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you ever wondered why the likes of Google and Cloudflare want to restrict the web to a few signed, integrity-checked browser implementations? Now you know.

>If you ever wondered why the likes of Google and Cloudflare want to restrict the web I disagree with the framing of "us vs them". It's actually "us vs us". It's not just us plebians vs FAANG giants. The small-time independent publishers and creators also want to restrict the web because they don't want their content "stolen". They want to interact with real humans instead of bots. The following are manifestations of…

It’s like we are living in an affordability crisis and people are tired of 400 wealthy billionaires profiting from peoples largess in the form of free data/tooling.

Re: Yt-dlp: Upcoming new requirements for YouTube downloads

#108

Post by imiric »

supriyo-biswas wrote: post #63
ACCount37 wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you ever wondered why the likes of Google and Cloudflare want to restrict the web to a few signed, integrity-checked browser implementations? Now you know.

At least for YouTube, viewbotting is very much a thing, which undermines trust in the platform. Even if we were to remove Google ads from the equation, there’s nothing preventing someone from crafting a channel with millions of bot-generated views and comments, in order to paid sponsor placements, etc. The reasons are similar for Cloudflare, but their stances are a bit too DRMish for my tastes. I guess someone could…

Like another comment mentioned: that's a problem for YouTube to solve.

They pay a lot of money to many smart people who can implement sophisticated bot detection systems, without impacting most legitimate human users. But when their business model depends on extracting value from their users' data, tracking their behavior and profiling them across their services so that they can better serve them ads, it goes against their bottom line for anyone to access their service via any other interface than their official ones.

This is what these changes are primarily about. Preventing abuse is just a side benefit they can use as an excuse.

Re: Yt-dlp: Upcoming new requirements for YouTube downloads

#109

Post by Mindwipe »

lyu07282 wrote: post #78
apetresc wrote: post #47

The writing is on the wall for easy ripping. If there's any YT content you expect you'll want to preserve for a long time, I suggest spinning up https://www.tubearchivist.com/ or something similar and archiving it now while you still can.

They already had the proper-DRM tech for youtube movies for years, why didn't they already turn that on for all content?

YouTube's delivery scale is enormous and adding additional complexity if they don't have to is probably considered a no no.

But if they decide they have to, they can do it fairly trivially.

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