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Re: Top Programming Languages 2025

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Post by ctenb »

rekenaut wrote: post #96
kstrauser wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nah. It’s a declarative language, but not a programming language. To prove me wrong, show an HTML program that does any kind of computation whatsoever. There’s not one. It’s not Turing complete. I doubt it’s even Turing partial. It’s a markup language, not a PL.

Where does this idea that a programming language has to be Turing complete come from? As far as I can tell from cursory searches, the most broadly understood understanding of a programming language is a formal language for directing computations on a computer. HTML does this, CSS does this, and SQL does this. Frankly even configuration languages like YAML or the spare INI file do this in the proper context. Can these…

Your definition is overly broad and makes everything a programming language, at which point the term isn't useful anymore.

Re: Top Programming Languages 2025

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Post by ileonichwiesz »

sashank_1509 wrote: post #107

I’m shocked, Java is so high up in all categories. I have never met a single Java programmer, though to be fair I started my career fairly recently.

They’re definitely underrepresented in most contexts where you’d meet other coders - but make no mistake, half the business world runs on Java, and it’s still the main language taught in a lot of CS university programs.

Re: Top Programming Languages 2025

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Post by vkazanov »

pjmlp wrote: post #84
js8 wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> And Python got popular cause of LLM AI thing. Not really, Python got popular in 2000s because it was the only sane of the three choices - Perl, Python, TCL. You must be young.

The magic word for Python's fame is Zope, the respective article on Dr. Dobbs, until then I never noticed it.

Zope is sooo 2000s! This is the first time ever I see somebody mention the framework I've spent a few years of my life with!

Re: Top Programming Languages 2025

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Post by xgdgsc »

torben-friis wrote: post #22

As a backend dev (mostly working in fintech) I feel weirdly unable to find a target language to move to. After working with Node and Ruby for a while I really miss a static type system. - Typescript was limited by its option to allow non strictness. Nothing catches my eye, as it’s either Java/.Net and its enterprisey companies or Go, which might not be old but feels like it is, by design. Rust sounds fun, but its use…

Julia https://www.reddit.com/r/Julia/comments/1efxp0j/julias_advan...

Re: Top Programming Languages 2025

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Post by PaulRobinson »

sashank_1509 wrote: post #107

I’m shocked, Java is so high up in all categories. I have never met a single Java programmer, though to be fair I started my career fairly recently.

There are a lot of Java devs out there. At least 2 of the FAANGs are big on Java. Any big consultancy (Accenture, Cap Gemini, Fujitsu, Deloitte), is going to ship mostly Java too.

I’m not a fan personally, but its easy to find devs in it, so its popular in firms where language choice is a commodity/utility

Re: Top Programming Languages 2025

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Post by pjmlp »

mrheosuper wrote: post #104

What is "Arduino" ? If it's the "Arduino" that hobbyist using to DIY device, then "Arduino" is not a language, it's C++.

Correct, but it is the same root cause that make people say HTML and CSS are programming languages, C and Fortran written libraries are "Python" libraries, and so forth.

Re: Top Programming Languages 2025

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Post by pjmlp »

roywashere wrote: post #97
pornel wrote: post #26

It's hard to find good data sources for this, especially that StackOverflow is in decline[1]. IEEE's methodology[2] is sensible given what's possible, but the data sources are all flawed in some ways (that don't necessarily cancel each other out). The number of search results reported by Google is the most volatile indirect proxy signal. Search results include everything mentioning the query, without promising it bei…

Plus TIOBE had Perl enter the top 10 suddenly this year but I do not see any new developers. And Ada too! Where are all those Ada programmers?

Keeping 7 Ada vendors in business, one of the few areas where developers actually pay for tooling.

https://www.adacore.com/

https://www.ghs.com/products/ada_optimizing_compilers.html

https://www.ptc.com/en/products/developer-tools/apexada

https://www.ddci.com/solutions/products/ddci-developer-suite...

http://www.irvine.com/tech.html

http://www.ocsystems.com/w/index.php/OCS:PowerAda

http://www.rrsoftware.com/html/prodinf/janus95/j-ada95.htm

Re: Top Programming Languages 2025

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Post by brabel »

sashank_1509 wrote: post #107

I’m shocked, Java is so high up in all categories. I have never met a single Java programmer, though to be fair I started my career fairly recently.

Hi I am a Java developer! Every company I ever worked at since 2008 used Java. At one point I learned many languages but still the only one that could get me a job was Java. To each their own bubble.

Re: Top Programming Languages 2025

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Post by PaulRobinson »

pornel wrote: post #26

It's hard to find good data sources for this, especially that StackOverflow is in decline[1]. IEEE's methodology[2] is sensible given what's possible, but the data sources are all flawed in some ways (that don't necessarily cancel each other out). The number of search results reported by Google is the most volatile indirect proxy signal. Search results include everything mentioning the query, without promising it bei…

By far the most useful and helpful is job ads: it literally defines the demand side of the programming language market.

Yes, that does not show us how much code is running out there, and some companies might have huge armies with very low churn and so the COBOL stacks in banks don’t show up, but I can’t think of a more useful and directly measurable way of understanding a languages real utility.

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