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Re: I'm leaving Ruby Central

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Post by shermantanktop »

charcircuit wrote: post #13

>This is not how open source works. Open source is about licensing and not about governance. There are plenty of open source projects where the owner is a dictator. In this case the owner of the github organization has control over who is a part of it and who has permissions within it.

Open Source as a licensing approach, sure, but that’s the narrow definition. The broader definition is inclusive of group culture, decision-making practices, tone of communication, and a lot more.

When someone says “open source,” that’s often shorthand for the broader definition.

Re: I'm leaving Ruby Central

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Post by pityJuke »

torben-friis wrote: post #28
jaredcwhite wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In a word, yes.

What I don’t get is, what does Shopify get from this? I’m assuming there’s a ton of reputational risk in this move, and my understanding as an outsider is that Shopify already has a ton of weight in the Ruby ecosystem - they seem to be the one case quoted by everyone as the “proof that Ruby scales”.

From all I can observe, it does seem to have a sinister political undertone. In that, Ruby Central's collapse started because Sidekiq disagreed with them platforming dhh, and then Shopify (who has dhh as a board member, and whose CEO races with dhh) used the funding weakness to demand a purge of anyone they disagreed with.

As an aside, I imagine the discussion of this will be end up being... difficult, because people are tending not react to these sorts of things well.

Re: I'm leaving Ruby Central

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Post by th0ma5 »

torben-friis wrote: post #28
jaredcwhite wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In a word, yes.

What I don’t get is, what does Shopify get from this? I’m assuming there’s a ton of reputational risk in this move, and my understanding as an outsider is that Shopify already has a ton of weight in the Ruby ecosystem - they seem to be the one case quoted by everyone as the “proof that Ruby scales”.

Money. Some people seek to extend their claimed intellectual property into previously uncapitalized contexts.

Re: I'm leaving Ruby Central

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Post by viccis »

runako wrote: post #15
Forgeties79 wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s just a thing people casually throw out now to discredit pieces or indirectly say that the person who wrote the piece is a bad writer

> indirectly say that the person who wrote the piece is a bad writer or a good writer. A lot of the so-called tells are things that are more likely to be done by professional writers under the care of a professional editor. For example, many people assume the presence of an em dash means text was written by an LLM, when obviously LLMs did not invent punctuation marks.

Good writers who used em dashes before AI tend to use them the traditional way—with no space around them and to emphasize a parenthetical. AI uses it with spaces around it — as an all-purpose conjunction.

Re: I'm leaving Ruby Central

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Post by rmoriz »

Ruby Central should have been more involved in the development of rubygems (software) in the past and establish a community and contribution guideline, to secure the project, secure funding, maybe separating concerns (infrastructure, conferences, etc.)

However, taking away funding as retaliation for a conference talk is offensive, too. In the end facts (money) made the decision. I don't think Shopify has bad intentions.

Clearly, it's about the racists tweets and blog posts one prominent member of Rails has made. And the community needs to address this in a clear way. Not with boycotting the wrong parties, especially an infrastructure provider of our community. Thank you Sidekiq for supporting RubyGems in the past, but pulling the plug was not the best move for the community.

Re: I'm leaving Ruby Central

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Post by flkiwi »

torben-friis wrote: post #28
jaredcwhite wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In a word, yes.

What I don’t get is, what does Shopify get from this? I’m assuming there’s a ton of reputational risk in this move, and my understanding as an outsider is that Shopify already has a ton of weight in the Ruby ecosystem - they seem to be the one case quoted by everyone as the “proof that Ruby scales”.

There are arguably larger reputational risk issues in a company with significant financial/payment activities not having adequate control of their technology. I'm not saying that justifies anything here as I don't know nearly enough about, but I'd wager that even a minor incident arising from them not adequately controlling their stack would create infinitely more issues than this move.

Re: I'm leaving Ruby Central

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Post by tibbydudeza »

glimpse9348 wrote: post #34

Just a glimpse: > London is no longer the city I was infatuated with in the late '90s and early 2000s. Chiefly because it's no longer full of native Brits [1] [1] https://world.hey.com/dhh/as-i-remember-london-e7d38e64

I am so disappointed by this - thought he was a nice guy.
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