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Re: A board member's perspective of the RubyGems controversy

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Post by maleldil »

simianparrot wrote: post #117
scuff3d wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The venn diagram of actual racists and crazy racists is a circle.

So if I understand correctly, people want a state for the Palestinian people. But they do not accept that people want a state for the Danish people. Is that it?

"People" have differing opinions, but the one I mostly see from the left is that they want Palestinians to live in the land they owned before Israeli colonisers invaded it and forced them to relocate to subhuman conditions. What I haven't seen is the desire to expel the Israelis currently living there, as long as they agree to let the Palestinians lead a decent life.

Re: A board member's perspective of the RubyGems controversy

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Post by simianparrot »

maleldil wrote: post #130
simianparrot wrote: post #122

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So do you consider what the Danish PM said racist? > There are really a lot of us Danes who believed that when people came to this ‘world’s best country’ and were given such good opportunities, they would integrate. They would become Danish, and they would never, ever harm our society. All of us who thought that way have been wrong. That's objectively observed reality in Denmark. And in Scandinavia in general. It's n…

Danish PM's comment is about integration. You're mischaracterising it. I'd say it's pro immigration, not what you're trying to spin it as. "We want immigrants to integrate" is not the same as "we don't want immigrants", which is the point you're trying to make.

DHH didn’t say he is against immigration. Neither did I. Why are you straw manning?

Re: A board member's perspective of the RubyGems controversy

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Post by ____mr____ »

rramon wrote: post #127
fwip wrote: post #45

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Thanks - that was helpful indeed. From there, I also found the linked post by Tekin Süleyman ( https://tekin.co.uk/2025/09/the-ruby-community-has-a-dhh-pro... ) to be informative.

Tekin, what makes a Turk less white than a Greek or Spaniard? If it's cultural (religion, music/sports related subcultures and codes) then it's chosen. Nobody can force you into a subculture in the West. As soon as you turn 18 you can essentially do what you want, most likely even way before that. You can chose your subculture, how you dress, style your hair, talk and are read by the mainstream society. Actual racist…

Not really, racists often include ethnic features such as hair texture or even nose shape within their criteria for racial exclusion.

While in certain cultural contexts Turks may be read as white, within Europe there is a history of excluding them from whiteness and presenting them as a threat to European culture, mostly due to Islamophobia

Re: A board member's perspective of the RubyGems controversy

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Post by kgwgk »

maleldil wrote: post #131
simianparrot wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So if I understand correctly, people want a state for the Palestinian people. But they do not accept that people want a state for the Danish people. Is that it?

"People" have differing opinions, but the one I mostly see from the left is that they want Palestinians to live in the land they owned before Israeli colonisers invaded it and forced them to relocate to subhuman conditions. What I haven't seen is the desire to expel the Israelis currently living there, as long as they agree to let the Palestinians lead a decent life.

You have never seen the slogan “from the river to the sea”?

https://harvardharrispoll.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/12/HHP...

Do you think that the long-term answer to the Israel-Palestinian dispute is for Arab states to absorb the Palestinians, for there to be two states, Israel and Palestine, or for Israel to be ended and given to Hamas and the Palestinians?

51% in the 18-24 group chose the third option.

Re: A board member's perspective of the RubyGems controversy

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Post by aquariusDue »

ethagnawl wrote: post #76
McGlockenshire wrote: post #72

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Wow! When that one DHH blog went around the other day, I didn't actually pay attention to who the author was. All I saw was yet another bigoted rant and just skimmed it and rolled my eyes. (e: here it is to save people the effort: https://world.hey.com/dhh/as-i-remember-london-e7d38e64 ) I should not have skimmed it. From your link: > In the same post he praises Tommy Robinson (actual name Stephen Christopher Yaxley-…

... and this is the guy whose Linux "distro" Cloudflare has just announced funding for.

Yeah, it was funny the first time a YouTuber[0] did something like that but now I feel like the joke got out of hand a bit, I blame the uptrend of opinionated configs to turn code editors into bona fide IDEs[1][2][3] for this.

Welp, looking forward to the holy wars between people running different influencers' configs five years from now. Who knows, maybe we'll see premium versions of those too.

[0] DistroTube which maintains DTOS, https://distro.tube/dtos/

[1] LunarVim

[2] AstroVim

[3] Doom Emacs

Re: A board member's perspective of the RubyGems controversy

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Post by em-bee »

forgingahead wrote: post #123
fwip wrote: post #45

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Thanks - that was helpful indeed. From there, I also found the linked post by Tekin Süleyman ( https://tekin.co.uk/2025/09/the-ruby-community-has-a-dhh-pro... ) to be informative.

Tekin's conclusion: "it will send a clear message to the wider Ruby community (and those who may be considering joining it) that the majority does not stand with DHH and his toxic views." He is going to be ultra surprised to learn what the majority thinks and how it's not what he thinks it is.

what does the majority think then according to you?

Re: A board member's perspective of the RubyGems controversy

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Post by em-bee »

simianparrot wrote: post #107
McGlockenshire wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wow! When that one DHH blog went around the other day, I didn't actually pay attention to who the author was. All I saw was yet another bigoted rant and just skimmed it and rolled my eyes. (e: here it is to save people the effort: https://world.hey.com/dhh/as-i-remember-london-e7d38e64 ) I should not have skimmed it. From your link: > In the same post he praises Tommy Robinson (actual name Stephen Christopher Yaxley-…

As a fellow Scandinavian, DHH is just writing what the vast majority of us think. And it isn’t racist. That word is being misused until it soon has no value left; you sure you want that?

it is xenophobia. rather widespread in europe unfortunately. xenopobia is not necessarily racism, but it is closely linked.

Re: A board member's perspective of the RubyGems controversy

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Post by em-bee »

simianparrot wrote: post #132
maleldil wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Danish PM's comment is about integration. You're mischaracterising it. I'd say it's pro immigration, not what you're trying to spin it as. "We want immigrants to integrate" is not the same as "we don't want immigrants", which is the point you're trying to make.

DHH didn’t say he is against immigration. Neither did I. Why are you straw manning?

how is this not against immigration?

https://world.hey.com/dhh/as-i-remember-london-e7d38e64

London is no longer the city I was infatuated with in the late '90s and early 2000s. Chiefly because it's no longer full of native Brits. In 2000, more than sixty percent of the city were native Brits. By 2024, that had dropped to about a third. A statistic as evident as day when you walk the streets of London now.

Copenhagen, by comparison, was about eighty-five percent native Danes in 2000, and is still three-quarters today. Enough of a foreign presence to feel cosmopolitan, but still distinctly Danish in all of its ways. Equally statistically evident on streets and bike lanes.

But I think, what would Copenhagen feel like, if only a third of it was Danish, like London? It would feel completely foreign, of course. Alien, even. So I get the frustration that many Brits have with the way mass immigration has changed the culture and makeup of not just London, but their whole country.

Re: A board member's perspective of the RubyGems controversy

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Post by baggy_trough »

byroot wrote: post #126
baggy_trough wrote: post #8

Locking out a guy like David Rodriguez (the main person I see doing bundler commits) in a dramatic fashion just seems like absolute craziness. I can't fathom doing it without a very good reason, which has yet to be revealed if it exists.

He's specifically among the 3 people still owner of the bundler gem [0], they were 6 just a few weeks ago [1] [0] https://rubygems.org/gems/bundler [1] https://web.archive.org/web/20250824033341/https://rubygems....

He said this on the Bundler discord yesterday:

'My work in Bundler & RubyGems is completely halted, including the Bundler 4 project which I expected to complete in the next ~2 months. The immediate reason for this is simple: my commit access to the repository has been revoked, so I can no longer do the job anymore. The more fundamental reason is that I completely lost motivation after all the recent events, regardless of whether work is paid or not.

I'll be happy to resume my work in Bundler & RubyGems if maintainer ownership prior to September, the 9th is restored, and thus the previous maintainer's team is allowed to continue building a transparent and democratic governance model for the project.'

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