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Re: Delete FROM users WHERE location = 'Iran';

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Post by ____mr____ »

Clear example that hosting (github, websites, etc) as well as social media being US based is a form of soft power that the US has which largely goes unchallenged.

While I do agree with the sanctions against Iran for their aid to Russia in their aggression towards Ukraine, It's not like the US is completely innocent from funding or arming aggressors across the globe. How can the software world be mobilized to sanction the US for this? It can't and it won't because lots of the people in tech within the anglosphere have a vested interest in the US maintaining its power

Re: Delete FROM users WHERE location = 'Iran';

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Post by honzabe »

isaacremuant wrote: post #201
honzabe wrote: post #193

This discussion leans against sanctions, and I feel a bit uneasy about this. There are some good arguments, but still... can I try to offer a different point of view? I grew up in a country occupied by Russians. I really feel for the Ukrainians. Currently, there seems to be a social contract between Putin and middle-class Russians from Moscow and St. Petersburg - they will let him bomb Ukrainian civilians, as long as…

Your whole post is war propaganda to justify how "the enemy" needs to be blocked and attacked. Analyze who have perpetrated most invasions ("military operations" if you like euphemisms) in the last 40 years and you'll be surprised who you'd need to "block" given your logic. Of course, you won't block yourself because it's convenient to be a jingoist when it doesn't affect you.

> Analyze who have perpetrated most invasions ("military operations" if you like euphemisms) in the last 40 years and you'll be surprised who you'd need to "block" given your logic.

I have. It was Russia. They are indeed blocked and I am not surprised.

> Of course, you won't block yourself because it's convenient to be a jingoist when it doesn't affect you.

No, I won't block myself because my little country has not invaded anyone. If you are assuming I am an American, I am not.

Re: Delete FROM users WHERE location = 'Iran';

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Post by mschuster91 »

jeroenhd wrote: post #87
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> All sanctions are designed to hurt civilians Objectively untrue. Many of the Russian sanctions, for example, targeted Putin’s inner circle.

They may not be normal civilians, but many of Putin's friends targeted by sanctions are not government officials, which does make them civilians. In other cases sanctions are targeted at government officials personally rather than the parts of government they influence, like targeting their side business, their stock, or their personal property. There are sanctions targeting governments specifically, but usually gove…

> but many of Putin's friends targeted by sanctions are not government officials

That's the thing in a crony dictatorship: these people might not hold public office in name, but in practice they act under direct license, authority and orders of the dictator. We're already seeing this in Hungary, where close friends of the local de-facto-dictator Viktor Orban control almost all media and absolutely use that ownership to further entrench Orban's rule - it's hard to achieve political change when the media simply doesn't care about you.

And now, we're seeing the beginnings in the US, just from another angle - public kowtowing and open extortion, such as with Jimmy Kimmel who got cancelled after a threat to block a corporate merger, and it's not the first time either. And no, the fact that Disney walked back after their stock price took a decent dip doesn't mean that this is the last time such an event will take place.

Re: Delete FROM users WHERE location = 'Iran';

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Post by iamshs »

Hit me in the feels. There used to be an amateur Russian beatmaker who I used to follow, it was so sad to see him drop off similarly. His paypal was cut off. I used to watch his IG lives a lot, loved the way he used to develop his beats. Very novel.

Re: Delete FROM users WHERE location = 'Iran';

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Post by lukan »

tgma wrote: post #158
sfn42 wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People always say stuff like this, but from my pov it doesn't matter what the populace thinks. They are directly supporting their government with everything they do. They are producing goods and services, they are the army, they are the government, the people are the country. They have the power to choose who rules them if they want to. Nobody else does. Iranians are responsible for Iran's actions just like Russians…

This is an extremely important, often overlooked, point. I also know of many "educated Iranians" living in the US who voice their opinion as GP suggests, and are self-proclaimed to be anti-regime. However, they travel to Iran to visit family and friends twice a year and take an iPhone or two on their way to gift them, directly benefiting the Mullah's system. I don't think a jew would have gone back to Nazi Germany to…

"I don't think a jew would have gone back to Nazi Germany to visit family"

Then I recommend some history books. Family ties can be strong and the persecution of the jews was not always as violent and open as it was during the war. It was more systematic discrimination in the beginning, so of course people still travelled back and forth. Uprooting a whole family is not a simple thing.

"Some even line up to vote for sham Presidential elections of the Mullah regime"

What else they are supposed to do?

That is a small option of influence and they use it. You think the Mullahs would loose their power if people just would not vote for them? If that would be true, they would be a democracy.

Re: Delete FROM users WHERE location = 'Iran';

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Post by tlb »

randomNumber7 wrote: post #126
tobyhinloopen wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Proudly written from a western country with a functional democracy. If it was that easy, there wouldn't be shitty countries everywhere.

I live in a western democracy and still endorse very little my government does.

You probably endorse the vast majority of what it does, weighted by dollars spent. Old age security, healthcare, infrastructure, policing and defense are good things. The fraction of the federal budget actually spent on things you probably don’t like is quite small.

Re: Delete FROM users WHERE location = 'Iran';

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Post by logicchains »

toolis wrote: post #169
slg wrote: post #64

>Iranian IPs are blocked here, due to your decision to arm Russia with drones so that they can indiscriminately massacre civilians. The "your decision" in that response is really off-putting. I know the law is what it is with sanctions like this. However, it is a failing of basic human empathy to blame other common citizens of a country for the actions of their government while we almost certainly do not endorse all…

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This is the exact same argument Bin Laden used for 9/11; that the US civilians were culpable due to their votes and taxes supporting what the US government was doing.
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