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A board member's perspective of the RubyGems controversy

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Re: A board member's perspective of the RubyGems controversy

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Post by fredrikholm »

simianparrot wrote: post #107
McGlockenshire wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wow! When that one DHH blog went around the other day, I didn't actually pay attention to who the author was. All I saw was yet another bigoted rant and just skimmed it and rolled my eyes. (e: here it is to save people the effort: https://world.hey.com/dhh/as-i-remember-london-e7d38e64 ) I should not have skimmed it. From your link: > In the same post he praises Tommy Robinson (actual name Stephen Christopher Yaxley-…

As a fellow Scandinavian, DHH is just writing what the vast majority of us think. And it isn’t racist. That word is being misused until it soon has no value left; you sure you want that?

I'm happy to say that ~80% of Sweden and Norway don't vote for right wing populist parties like SD and Fremskrittspartiet, so "vast majority of us" might be a bit of a stretch.

Re: A board member's perspective of the RubyGems controversy

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Post by rezonant »

scuff3d wrote: post #104
McGlockenshire wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wow! When that one DHH blog went around the other day, I didn't actually pay attention to who the author was. All I saw was yet another bigoted rant and just skimmed it and rolled my eyes. (e: here it is to save people the effort: https://world.hey.com/dhh/as-i-remember-london-e7d38e64 ) I should not have skimmed it. From your link: > In the same post he praises Tommy Robinson (actual name Stephen Christopher Yaxley-…

2025 has been wild but DHH outing himself as a crazy racist was definitely not something I was expecting...

Oh this sort of thing is far from new for DHH, there's long been a desire to oust him from Rails or fork it, but it's never quite came to fruition, and unless Shopify were to back it, it is unlikely it would survive :-\

Re: A board member's perspective of the RubyGems controversy

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Post by scuff3d »

simianparrot wrote: post #108
scuff3d wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

2025 has been wild but DHH outing himself as a crazy racist was definitely not something I was expecting...

If he’s a crazy racist, what would you call an actual racist?

The venn diagram of actual racists and crazy racists is a circle.

Re: A board member's perspective of the RubyGems controversy

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Post by watwut »

simianparrot wrote: post #107
McGlockenshire wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wow! When that one DHH blog went around the other day, I didn't actually pay attention to who the author was. All I saw was yet another bigoted rant and just skimmed it and rolled my eyes. (e: here it is to save people the effort: https://world.hey.com/dhh/as-i-remember-london-e7d38e64 ) I should not have skimmed it. From your link: > In the same post he praises Tommy Robinson (actual name Stephen Christopher Yaxley-…

As a fellow Scandinavian, DHH is just writing what the vast majority of us think. And it isn’t racist. That word is being misused until it soon has no value left; you sure you want that?

The word racism is not diluted. It is that just some full on racists feel like it says something negative and thus don't want the label put on racists stuff they like.

Re: A board member's perspective of the RubyGems controversy

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Post by kgwgk »

McGlockenshire wrote: post #72
fwip wrote: post #45

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Thanks - that was helpful indeed. From there, I also found the linked post by Tekin Süleyman ( https://tekin.co.uk/2025/09/the-ruby-community-has-a-dhh-pro... ) to be informative.

Wow! When that one DHH blog went around the other day, I didn't actually pay attention to who the author was. All I saw was yet another bigoted rant and just skimmed it and rolled my eyes. (e: here it is to save people the effort: https://world.hey.com/dhh/as-i-remember-london-e7d38e64 ) I should not have skimmed it. From your link: > In the same post he praises Tommy Robinson (actual name Stephen Christopher Yaxley-…

> To all of that he ads a dash of Islamophobia, citing “Pakistani rape gangs” as one of the reasons for the unrest, repeating a weaponised trope borne from a long since discredited report

Were independent inquiries also repeating weaponised tropes from long since discredited reports?

“By far the majority of perpetrators were described as 'Asian' by victims, yet throughout the entire period, councillors did not engage directly with the Pakistani-heritage community to discuss how best they could jointly address the issue. Some councillors seemed to think it was a one-off problem, which they hoped would go away. Several staff described their nervousness about identifying the ethnic origins of perpetrators for fear of being thought racist; others remembered clear direction from their managers not to do so.”

https://www.rotherham.gov.uk/downloads/file/279/independent-...

Re: A board member's perspective of the RubyGems controversy

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Post by ellen364 »

simianparrot wrote: post #107
McGlockenshire wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wow! When that one DHH blog went around the other day, I didn't actually pay attention to who the author was. All I saw was yet another bigoted rant and just skimmed it and rolled my eyes. (e: here it is to save people the effort: https://world.hey.com/dhh/as-i-remember-london-e7d38e64 ) I should not have skimmed it. From your link: > In the same post he praises Tommy Robinson (actual name Stephen Christopher Yaxley-…

As a fellow Scandinavian, DHH is just writing what the vast majority of us think. And it isn’t racist. That word is being misused until it soon has no value left; you sure you want that?

I've been thinking about whether "$some_country rape gangs" seems racist to me. I've come down on "yes".

The reason might seem odd. But it ocurred to me that if you want to use immigration to reduce crime, including rape, the obvious solution is to ban all male immigration.

That shocked me because it seems so wildly discriminatory. Yes, most violent crimes are committed by men. But very few men commit violent crimes. Banning male immigration would punish a large group for the appalling actions of a few. Making it about "$some_country's men" doesn't seem a whole lot better. It's still unjust to punish someone for someone else's crime.

If anyone is curious about the exercise, I recommend trying it. It was disconcerting to sit with the idea of banning male immigration, really seriously consider it and realise how viscerally shocked I was by the idea.

Edit: for context, in the UK right now, phrases like "rape gangs" are part of the debate/argument about immigration.

Re: A board member's perspective of the RubyGems controversy

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Post by simianparrot »

scuff3d wrote: post #113
simianparrot wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If he’s a crazy racist, what would you call an actual racist?

The venn diagram of actual racists and crazy racists is a circle.

So if I understand correctly, people want a state for the Palestinian people. But they do not accept that people want a state for the Danish people.

Is that it?

Re: A board member's perspective of the RubyGems controversy

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Post by [deleted] »

fredrikholm wrote: post #111
simianparrot wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a fellow Scandinavian, DHH is just writing what the vast majority of us think. And it isn’t racist. That word is being misused until it soon has no value left; you sure you want that?

I'm happy to say that ~80% of Sweden and Norway don't vote for right wing populist parties like SD and Fremskrittspartiet, so "vast majority of us" might be a bit of a stretch.

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Re: A board member's perspective of the RubyGems controversy

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Post by simianparrot »

ellen364 wrote: post #116
simianparrot wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a fellow Scandinavian, DHH is just writing what the vast majority of us think. And it isn’t racist. That word is being misused until it soon has no value left; you sure you want that?

I've been thinking about whether "$some_country rape gangs" seems racist to me. I've come down on "yes". The reason might seem odd. But it ocurred to me that if you want to use immigration to reduce crime, including rape, the obvious solution is to ban all male immigration. That shocked me because it seems so wildly discriminatory. Yes, most violent crimes are committed by men. But very few men commit violent crimes.…

The Grooming Gangs feature a lot of nationalities, but some more than others.

There's nothing racist about the facts. How one responds to it can indeed be racist -- ie. "all people of one of said nationalities are like these ones" would be racist. But observing that a nationality of immigrants are vastly overrepresented is just using your eyes to observe reality.

Re: A board member's perspective of the RubyGems controversy

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Post by immibis »

caymanjim wrote: post #24
sc68cal wrote: post #13

This story is missing any context around what occurred. The only thing I was able to find was by searching, and I came to this PDF statement. https://pup-e.com/goodbye-rubygems.pdf > On September 9th, with no warning or communication, a RubyGems maintainer unilaterally: > renamed the “RubyGems” GitHub enterprise to “Ruby Central”, > added non-maintainer Marty Haught of Ruby Central, and > removed every other maintain…

Everything you're quoting is from one aggrieved person, who clearly felt slighted, and who left out a whole lot of context in their own post. The article above is a lot more reasoned, less emotional, and seems completely reasonable to me. Ruby Central clearly has issues with both internal and external communication. And the above article isn't an official statement either; it's just one person, not involve in the dec…

Right now the board is acting indistinguishably from Andrew Lee during the Freenode collapse, and, like, everyone else who ever did a hostile takeover of an open source project ever. Supporters of the board are acting indistinguishably from supporters of Andrew Lee during the Freenode collapse.
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