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Re: You did this with an AI and you do not understand what you're doing here

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Post by bombcar »

HankStallone wrote: post #312
palmotea wrote: post #266

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Are spelling correction PRs not welcome? I think a true spelling correction would be welcome. But I think the kind BS attitude the GP is describing often leads to useless reformatting/language tweaks, because the goal isn't to make the repo better, it's to make a change for making a change's sake with as little effort as possible.

Kind of like how on the Salesforce support forums, there are a lot of incorrect answers from people who don't appear to have understood the question, but they all have "Please mark my answer as helpful" at the bottom. (And this started long before AI.) If there's an incentive to "contribute," even if it's something as small as being able to put "Salesforce support volunteer" on your LinkedIn page, and it's very easy…

I’ve always wondered how salesforce and Microsoft get such huge numbers of supporters doing that unpaid work for them. They’re often Indian sounding names so I suspect that one or more of the big consultancy or outsourcing companies uses it as a hiring signal.

Re: You did this with an AI and you do not understand what you're doing here

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Post by bombcar »

vultour wrote: post #449
scosman wrote: post #49

Spent 15 minutes the other day testing a patch I received that claimed to fix a bug (Linux UI bug, not my forte). The “fix” was setting completely fictitious properties. Someone has plugged the GitHub issue into ChatGPT, spat out an untested answer. What’s even the point…

This is why I refuse to interact with people who use AI. You have to invest orders of magnitude more time to review their hallucinated garbage than they used to generate it. I’m not going to waste my time talking to a computer.

https://knowyourmeme.com/photos/2054961-welcome-to-my-meme-p...

Re: You did this with an AI and you do not understand what you're doing here

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Post by baobun »

NewsaHackO wrote: post #474
baobun wrote: post #324

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I'd rather have broken grammar and an honest and useful meta-signal than botched semantics. Also that better not be a sensitive conversation or contain personal details or business internals of others... Just don't.

But the meta singal you get is detrimental to the writer, so why wouldn't they want to mask it?

Security and ethics.

If those don't apply, as mentioned, if I realize I will as mentioned also ignore them if I can and judge their future communications as malicious, incompetent, inconsiderate, and/or meaningless.

Re: You did this with an AI and you do not understand what you're doing here

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Post by EasyMark »

mock-possum wrote: post #357
jmuguy wrote: post #332

This is essentially what teachers are dealing with every day, across the majority of their students, for every subject where its even remotely possible to use AI.

Why not deal with it the same way teachers have always felt with students breaking the rules?

This is why in person tests are given and bad grades as a result as part of the student feedback performance improvement loop. Maybe with AI as a new interloper we need to decrease "report card" times to 3 weeks (it was 9 weeks in my day) so that students have some shortened loop time with parental unit reviews to help straighten out issues before they become real problems.

Re: You did this with an AI and you do not understand what you're doing here

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Post by EasyMark »

jmuguy wrote: post #362
mock-possum wrote: post #357

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Why not deal with it the same way teachers have always felt with students breaking the rules?

Wife is a high school history teacher - she would have to flunk 75% of her students. That is after proving they used AI, which would be extremely time consuming. Its very demoralizing for her, she has to spend a lot of time reading written essays generated by AI. I think given time educators will adapt. Unless they get burnt out first. She could also just not give a shit and they let go on to be some college professo…

Then they should be flunked. It sucks but parents need to enforce real learning. Schools can't be the sole "responsible" entity here. This is not the instructor's fault and school admin needs to push back. We as a society need to push back otherwise it all falls apart. Not everyone can be a blue collar worker, and most of the BC workers I know tend to be decent at math at least in those items that are part of their work, which they certainly couldn't have picked up if they didn't at least know some basics arithmetic

Re: You did this with an AI and you do not understand what you're doing here

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Post by EasyMark »

Noughmad wrote: post #428
jmuguy wrote: post #362

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Wife is a high school history teacher - she would have to flunk 75% of her students. That is after proving they used AI, which would be extremely time consuming. Its very demoralizing for her, she has to spend a lot of time reading written essays generated by AI. I think given time educators will adapt. Unless they get burnt out first. She could also just not give a shit and they let go on to be some college professo…

You can go back to requiring home assignments be written by hand. It won't completely fix the AI issue, because you can still ask ChatGPT and then rewrite it, but it helps because it's very tedious and time consuming, so the benefit is much lower. If that is not enough, we may have to stop grading take-home papers. Which is a good idea anyway.

This is not a bad idea, teaches dexterity too. Just don't be too harsh on those of us who have had and always will have terrible handwriting :)

Re: You did this with an AI and you do not understand what you're doing here

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Post by EasyMark »

criddell wrote: post #386
jmuguy wrote: post #362

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Wife is a high school history teacher - she would have to flunk 75% of her students. That is after proving they used AI, which would be extremely time consuming. Its very demoralizing for her, she has to spend a lot of time reading written essays generated by AI. I think given time educators will adapt. Unless they get burnt out first. She could also just not give a shit and they let go on to be some college professo…

The educators will adapt. They might use AIs to grade papers written by AIs. Or, do what my kids' school did for some classes. Instead of teaching in class and then assigning homework, the homework will be reading a text book and classroom time will be spent writing essays by hand, doing exercises, answering questions, etc...

How does grading with AI help when the content is generated by AI? might as well just take humans out of the loop, but I don't think we're in a post scarcity society yet...

Re: You did this with an AI and you do not understand what you're doing here

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Post by antiquark »

ekjhgkejhgk wrote: post #471
byb wrote: post #422

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The two alternative solutions posed so far are 1) drop the ai bounty program 2) charge for submissions. Present an alternative.

No, I dont have to. I never claimed I had an alternative. All I claimed was that saying theres not alternative is unsubstantiated and you proved me right, by listing those alternatives.

You're a bot, aren't you.

Re: You did this with an AI and you do not understand what you're doing here

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Post by cindyllm »

EasyMark wrote: post #485
jmuguy wrote: post #362

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wife is a high school history teacher - she would have to flunk 75% of her students. That is after proving they used AI, which would be extremely time consuming. Its very demoralizing for her, she has to spend a lot of time reading written essays generated by AI. I think given time educators will adapt. Unless they get burnt out first. She could also just not give a shit and they let go on to be some college professo…

Then they should be flunked. It sucks but parents need to enforce real learning. Schools can't be the sole "responsible" entity here. This is not the instructor's fault and school admin needs to push back. We as a society need to push back otherwise it all falls apart. Not everyone can be a blue collar worker, and most of the BC workers I know tend to be decent at math at least in those items that are part of their w…

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Re: You did this with an AI and you do not understand what you're doing here

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Post by EasyMark »

flumpcakes wrote: post #99

Has anyone seen a good use of AI in the wild? Every example I see is honestly depressing, such as this.

Code? not much, other than small functions/classes/prototype libraries to get started, but I've often used it to figure out where code was that I was concerned with in huge project code bases and analyze where some of the edges of interfaces are without digging for a few hours. Copilot can give a decent summary of where to look in a couple of seconds instead of a half hour of marking what I think are important sections and jumping around/grepping
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