Same issue I've had - the issue is specifically for Linux (Win on Framework doesn't suffer from this).
One thing I found was certain modules like USB-A or HDMI drawing power even when suspended.
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Re: I'm spoiled by Apple Silicon but still love Framework
#112As suggested in the blog post, the battery life issue is complex. You do need a CPU/SoC that’s efficient, and while Intel and AMD can do this it’s traditionally been a struggle for them. Next, the OS needs to be capable of taking full advantage of the chip’s efficiency. Windows could be decent here in, but Microsoft doesn’t believe in an operating system that’s ever truly idle (and neither do the third parties living…
My Thinkpad X1 Carbon (gen 5) running linux can suspend for weeks without dying. There was definitely a window where battery life under suspending wasn't a huge problem in Linux, not sure what happened. I also have a Framework 13 (11th gen intel) which has terrible suspend battery life (also loses 2-3%/hour like the newer AMD version)– I was hoping that the AMD chips would fare better, but it seems not.
For my all AMD ASUS TUF 16, I am having a great experience with sleep and battery drain. I’m running Nobara, a Fedora gaming spinoff. I can 100% treat it like my apple devices where I can close it and ignore it for several days, and maybe lose 1-5% battery over that time.
My understanding is that it being all AMD makes a difference, but I don’t know for sure.
Re: I'm spoiled by Apple Silicon but still love Framework
#113Earlier quoted context omitted.
On a Mac, you can switch between apps with Command-Tab or windows of the same app with Command-` but there's no way to cycle between all windows or bounce between to two most recently used windows. Maybe this used to make sense when apps were single purpose but I do basically everything in a web browser or a terminal so not being able to bounce between the previously selected window(of whatever kind), as I can with A…
For web apps, spinning them into “installed” apps (doable in both Chrome and Safari now) is the move. This unclogs your tab bar, gets rid of the pointless persistent browser chrome, and gives you the benefit of OS task management capabilities. You can add Shift to both Command-Tab and Command-` to move in the reverse direction.
Woah, I did not know about this installable web app feature - this is a game changer. Thanks for sharing.
Re: I'm spoiled by Apple Silicon but still love Framework
#114The complaint about power usage in suspend is especially sad because it’s pretty much a common problem for Linux on laptops. Not sure if that’s what applies here, but the numbers about match what I see with my Framework. Basically: if you want to use secure boot you usually also want kernel lockdown mode, and you cannot hibernate a lockdowned kernel. At least not without out-of-tree patches. IMHO that’s a giant issue…
The thing is - a lot if power saving is achieved by hybrid sleep (computer hibernating after a timeout). Setting that up is pure hell on Linux, with poor documentation and security people actively fighting against making this easy. On Windows/macOS it just works, on Linux you'll probably break secure boot with it.
Maybe it just works on MacOS, but it's prone to all kinds of breakage on Windows.
Re: I'm spoiled by Apple Silicon but still love Framework
#115The complaint about power usage in suspend is especially sad because it’s pretty much a common problem for Linux on laptops. Not sure if that’s what applies here, but the numbers about match what I see with my Framework. Basically: if you want to use secure boot you usually also want kernel lockdown mode, and you cannot hibernate a lockdowned kernel. At least not without out-of-tree patches. IMHO that’s a giant issue…
I was excited to see news about AMD beginning work on ACPI C4 in the Linux kernel (1) – my Framework loses about 10% a day in suspend, sometimes more, which is OK for me but of course I’d love for it to be better!
1: https://www.phoronix.com/news/AMD-ACPI-C4-Linux-Kernel-Code
Re: I'm spoiled by Apple Silicon but still love Framework
#116As a Linux user I feel you. The Mac Desktop is vastly inferior to the Linux world (for power users) but the hardware is so, so good. For me it is about having a completely silent setup. It is so, so hard to go back to noisy fans. I really hope Asahi Linux keep going so I can have the best of both worlds.
Saying that the macOS desktop is vastly inferior to Linux desktops is absolutely nuts. I've tried to get my relatives on Linux desktops so many times, just for it to go completely wrong a couple of weeks after and having to reinstall Windows. It's just not made for average (or below-average) users, so I don't see how it can be VASTLY inferior to something as easy and polished as macOS.
I just got a work Mac and I have spent around 20 years now on linux before it. I was making a list compared to KDE (not pros/cons just differences) It is still a work in progress since its only a couple of days since im using it.
1. No delete button. I know you can do Fn delete but It is more problematic. And I do use delete often.
2. System keeps important system stuff in Library directory in home. Do not do remove any directories.
4. Os x doesnt quit apps and then expects me to go through all apps in windows switcher.
5. The spaces dont wrap around.
6. Finder is always in your alt +tab? Causes issues with switching.
7. Corners are round. How to Disable it control the roundedness
8. Alt +Tab doesnt automatically restore minimized windows.
9. App store is quite weak compared to archlinux
10. There is no spaces pager (a small bar at top where I can immediately see which desktop im in)
11. It seems that I cannot have windows of same app in multiple spaces.
12. Same app has only one window. Apple mail for example. Cannot copy text from email to settings.
13. How to Disable HTML display in apple mail.
14. Kmail has much better interface for signing
Both for viewing rhe signed emails and for deciding which key to use
15. Opening a new windows from spotlight is not possible
16. Download multiple wallpapers at same time is not possible
17. All operations related to an app should be inside an app. Alt+w for tab and ctrl+tab for switching makes me move two fingers instead of one.
18. Spectacle is so much better than screen shot on MAC os
19. Ramdisk on mac os x
21. Threads view in emails isnot possible in apple mail
22. Application specific power optimization (for good battery life) on OS X
23. Better security and access on OSX for apps.
23. Switching between apps of same windows on OSX does not bring up a visual aid..
24. Long press leads to accents which is very cool but also I didn't use it.
Re: I'm spoiled by Apple Silicon but still love Framework
#117This will never happen, but the ideal laptop for me would be a Framework Laptop 13/16 with an Apple Silicon mainboard and OLED display.
The soldered RAM of the Framework Desktop has already opened the door to soldered RAM on Framework Laptop mainboards.
Re: I'm spoiled by Apple Silicon but still love Framework
#118As suggested in the blog post, the battery life issue is complex. You do need a CPU/SoC that’s efficient, and while Intel and AMD can do this it’s traditionally been a struggle for them. Next, the OS needs to be capable of taking full advantage of the chip’s efficiency. Windows could be decent here in, but Microsoft doesn’t believe in an operating system that’s ever truly idle (and neither do the third parties living…
> It’s possible for x86 machines to manage this state correctly, as proven by Valve’s Steam Deck which can be put to sleep and drain its battery slowly enough to stay alive for a week or more. I had the original Steam Deck and the OLED Steam Deck and neither of them would hold a charge past a day or so. It's a constant annoyance for me as I don't want to leave it plugged in 24/7 but if I don't, it won't be ready to g…
We got an ipad mini for my kid(s) and regularly leave it unplugged for weeks at a time, sitting on a shelf until we've got a flight or long enough car ride to justify bringing it out. I did that the other day and after not charging it since at least labor day, it was sitting at 90%. I'm just blown away every time.
Re: I'm spoiled by Apple Silicon but still love Framework
#119Earlier quoted context omitted.
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I do all my software development in remote clusters/supercomputers. I’d consider myself a power user. My laptop is for running a terminal, vscode, a browser and the various applications my company requires, e.g. Teams, Slack. So I want reliability, low configuration and maintenance overhead on my part and good battery life. Linux can’t compete on these fronts.
I do the same and I prefer KDE much more than Mac OS X apart from battery part.
Re: I'm spoiled by Apple Silicon but still love Framework
#120Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Linux Mint with Cinnamon is bliss. This is one of my go-tos when I need a VM, so I’m familiar. > I found the Mac Desktop absolutely unusable for any development work as it comes out of the box. But why are we comparing vanilla macOS to an extreme customized Linux setup as if they’re the same thing? Why one set of rules for one platform but those criteria are suspended for Linux, where we get to assume some specific…
> But why are we comparing vanilla macOS to an extreme customized Linux setup as if they’re the same thing? Your assumption that these Linux setups are "extremely customized" is wrong. Personally, I hate configuring or customizing much at all. The appeal of Linux is that there are distros that come configured out-of-the-box pretty much as I like it, whereas MacOS and especially Windows requires configuration and cons…
What makes you say it isn't an option?
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