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Re: You did this with an AI and you do not understand what you're doing here

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noosphr wrote: post #359
delecti wrote: post #247

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> Much like how curly braces in C are placed because back in the day you needed you punch card deck to be editable, but we got stuck with it even after we stared using screens. Can you expand on this? What do curly braces have anything to do with punch card decks being editable? What do screens?

Each punch card was it's own line of text. By putting the final curly brace on it's own card, and hence line, it meant you could add lines to blocks without having to change the old last line. E.g. the following code meant you only had to type a new card and insert it. for(i=0;i But for following had to edit and replace an old card as well. for(i=0;i This saved a bit of typing and made errors less likely.

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Re: You did this with an AI and you do not understand what you're doing here

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Post by byb »

ekjhgkejhgk wrote: post #343
byb wrote: post #101

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We are witnessing a new eternal summer and the only way to stem to tide is to increase the amount of required personal identifying information to register, and then publicly shame these people as a warning to others. Maybe it is a good thing that I don't run any massively popular open source projects.

> the only way to stem to tide is I see no evidence thats the only way. Its the only way that has crossed your mind as you were writing that message.

The two alternative solutions posed so far are 1) drop the ai bounty program 2) charge for submissions.

Present an alternative.

Re: You did this with an AI and you do not understand what you're doing here

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Post by saratogacx »

henrebotha wrote: post #273
treesknees wrote: post #161

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I’d love to know what your genuine motivation is. Is it a desire to genuinely improve projects? Because I’ve always had the impression that people who do this just want to boost their PR counts and GitHub activity numbers.

Genuinely, I am trying to improve things. Making documentation more readable has a real cascading positive effect. Of course, most of these PRs are tiny — just a word or two — but that means it takes me almost no time to submit them, so the ROI is still positive. One of the most enraging things to me is when a text search of documentation fails because the word I'm searching for has been misspelled in a key place. Th…

One of the things I've done that has helped with my writing consistency is to use whatever version of "project" or "library" your LLM of choice has and pre-load it with a technical writing guide (I used the Red Hat Technical Style Guide[1]) and push my docs through that to identify improvements. It has been a great way to keep my own writing consistent and remove randomness from just having my own writing improvement prompt.

1 https://stylepedia.net/style/

Re: You did this with an AI and you do not understand what you're doing here

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Post by kranner »

deadbabe wrote: post #400
mock-possum wrote: post #348

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I feel like ‘actual English’ comes off as unnecessarily mean here. There is no ‘actual English’ there are just different regional and cultural variations. You may personally like one or another better, you may find some particular varieties easier or harder to understand, but that doesn’t make those people any more or less ‘actual’ English speakers than you are. They are ‘actually’ speaking English, just like you. If…

Actual English is when you speak in the spirit of the language, not just the grammatical and syntactical structures. It should be free of speech patterns from other languages and more assimilated.

"The spirit of the language" is just a restatement of your original assertion about "actual English", based on what seems an assumed authority to make such a claim.

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Post by xpe »

rjsw wrote: post #420
b112 wrote: post #309

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What I don't get, is why people think this action has value. The maintainer of the project could ask an LLM to do that. A senior dev. I can't imagine Googling for something, seeing someone on (for example) stackoverflow commenting on code, and then filing a bug to the maintainer. And just copy and pasting what someone else said, into the bug report. All without even comprehending the code, the project, or even runnin…

I read a paper yesterday where someone had used an LLM to read other papers and was claiming that this was doing science.

> I read a paper yesterday where someone had used an LLM to read other papers and was claiming that this was doing science.

I'm not trying to be facetious or eye-poking here, I promise... But I have to ask: What was the result; did the LLM generate useful new knowledge at some quality bar?

At the same time, I do believe something like "Science is more than published papers; it also includes the process behind it, sometimes dryly described as merely 'the scientific method'. People sometimes forget other key ingredients, such as a willingness to doubt even highly-regarded fellow scientists, who might even be giants in their fields. Don't forget how it all starts with a creative spark of sorts, an inductive leap, followed by a commitment to design some workable experiment given the current technological and economic constraints. The ability to find patterns in the noise in some ways is the easiest part."

Still, I believe this claim: there is NO physics-based reason that says AI systems cannot someday cover every aspect of the quote above: doubting, creativity, induction, confidence, design, commitment, follow-through, pattern matching, iteration, and so on. I think question is probably "when", not "if" this will happen, but hopefully before we get there we ask "What happens when we reach AGI? ASI?" and "Do we really want that?".

Re: You did this with an AI and you do not understand what you're doing here

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Post by Noughmad »

jmuguy wrote: post #362
mock-possum wrote: post #357

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Why not deal with it the same way teachers have always felt with students breaking the rules?

Wife is a high school history teacher - she would have to flunk 75% of her students. That is after proving they used AI, which would be extremely time consuming. Its very demoralizing for her, she has to spend a lot of time reading written essays generated by AI. I think given time educators will adapt. Unless they get burnt out first. She could also just not give a shit and they let go on to be some college professo…

You can go back to requiring home assignments be written by hand. It won't completely fix the AI issue, because you can still ask ChatGPT and then rewrite it, but it helps because it's very tedious and time consuming, so the benefit is much lower.

If that is not enough, we may have to stop grading take-home papers. Which is a good idea anyway.

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Post by retrac »

alexpotato wrote: post #371
Sharlin wrote: post #131

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Unfortunately that seems to be the norm now – people literally reduce themselves to a copy-paste mechanism.

I watched someone do this during an interview. They were literally copy and pasting back and forth the LLM. In front of the interviewers! (myself and another co-worker) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44985254

I volunteer at a non-profit employment agency. I don't work with the clients directly. But I have observed that ChatGPT is very popular. Over the last year it has become ubiquitous. Like they use it for every email. And every resume is written with it. The counsellors have an internal portfolio of prompts they find effective.

Consider an early 20s grad looking to start their career. Time to polish the resume. It starts with using ChatGPT collaboratively with their career counsellor, and they continue to use it the entire time.

Re: You did this with an AI and you do not understand what you're doing here

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Post by mrguyorama »

rjsw wrote: post #420
b112 wrote: post #309

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What I don't get, is why people think this action has value. The maintainer of the project could ask an LLM to do that. A senior dev. I can't imagine Googling for something, seeing someone on (for example) stackoverflow commenting on code, and then filing a bug to the maintainer. And just copy and pasting what someone else said, into the bug report. All without even comprehending the code, the project, or even runnin…

I read a paper yesterday where someone had used an LLM to read other papers and was claiming that this was doing science.

What do you expect? Rich dumbasses like Travis Kalanick go on podcasts and say how they are inventing new physics by harassing ChatGPT.

How are people who don't even know how much they don't know supposed to operate in this hostile an information space?

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