Cloudflare is sponsoring Ladybird and Omarchy • Hacker News Board

Re: Cloudflare is sponsoring Ladybird and Omarchy

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Post by timeon » Mon, Sep 22, 2025, 4:45 PM UTC

rs186 wrote: post #37

The post does not mention how much money they are giving. Maybe I am a pessimist, but unless the number is in tens of millions or hundreds of millions (very unlikely), I don't think it helps the development of an independent browser very much. Google probably has poured over billions of dollars into Chrome development over the years, and if you look at what Chrome supports, it's massive. I seriously doubt anybody els…

If I understand it correctly, Ladybird uses Skia. So they are also benefiting from those "billions poured over Chrome".

Re: Cloudflare is sponsoring Ladybird and Omarchy

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Post by philipallstar » Mon, Sep 22, 2025, 4:45 PM UTC

JeremyNT wrote: post #105

robinhood wrote: post #76

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I don't understand why we always assume bad faith. I wish more companies were like Cloudflare actually - trying to balance the need of revenues while trying to do good for internet and open source as a whole. As a normal user with a few sites, I'm glad they provide what they provide to block bots, attacks and everything AI.

> I don't understand why we always assume bad faith. I wish more companies were like Cloudflare actually - trying to balance the need of revenues while trying to do good for internet and open source as a whole. This is quite simple and history bears it out: you can't rely on a for-profit corporation to operate in any other manner than optimizing shareholder value. When VC money is flowing, you see things that look li…

> This is quite simple and history bears it out: you can't rely on a for-profit corporation to operate in any other manner than optimizing shareholder value.

This is like saying that history bears out that you can't rely on governments to do anything but prepare for war and then send you out to die in one.

Re: Cloudflare is sponsoring Ladybird and Omarchy

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Post by youngtaff » Mon, Sep 22, 2025, 4:45 PM UTC

nomdep wrote: post #135

kolektiv wrote: post #25

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Yup, and just to add, for those not in the UK, or particularly connected to London, etc. - this take is utter garbage. The UK certainly has a variety of challenges, but they are not what the far right (and that's what the people he's talking about absolutely are) make them out to be. London is not what it's painted to be by external rabble-rousers and populists, and this mania/delusion that's being pushed (sometimes…

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So are you also going to list the fact that 40% of people who got arrested in 2024 anti-immigrant riots also had convictions for domestic and sexual violence

Being arrested for ‘wrong think’ is often a case of being arrested for inciting violence or racial hatred

There are more white grooming gangs than Pakistani ones

etc… etc…

DHH’s post just picked the stories that suited his bias

Re: Cloudflare is sponsoring Ladybird and Omarchy

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Post by pmdr » Mon, Sep 22, 2025, 4:46 PM UTC

justusthane wrote: post #13

flykespice wrote: post #6

I'm curious what makes LadyBird so special compared to other major browsers like Firefox and Chromium?

It’s one of the very, very few independent browsers built from the ground up and not on top of one the few existing engines (Gecko, Chromium, WebKit), which is extremely important to the health of the open web. Imagine a world where Chromium is the only browser engine. Standards wouldn’t matter and Google could just do whatever they wanted — we’re pretty close to that as it is.

> Imagine a world where Chromium is the only browser engine.

We pretty much live in that world right now. The only significant competition is Webkit.

Re: Cloudflare is sponsoring Ladybird and Omarchy

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Post by timeon » Mon, Sep 22, 2025, 4:48 PM UTC

justusthane wrote: post #13

flykespice wrote: post #6

I'm curious what makes LadyBird so special compared to other major browsers like Firefox and Chromium?

It’s one of the very, very few independent browsers built from the ground up and not on top of one the few existing engines (Gecko, Chromium, WebKit), which is extremely important to the health of the open web. Imagine a world where Chromium is the only browser engine. Standards wouldn’t matter and Google could just do whatever they wanted — we’re pretty close to that as it is.

> It’s one of the very, very few independent browsers built from the ground up

AFAIK they are using: https://skia.googlesource.com/skia

Re: Cloudflare is sponsoring Ladybird and Omarchy

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Post by nextos » Mon, Sep 22, 2025, 4:48 PM UTC

slightwinder wrote: post #141

robinhood wrote: post #83

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The great strength of Omarchy is the fact that they've repackaged every good things from many different projects (arch, hyperland, and many packages) so I can install a fully functional distro with nice defaults, and every hardware working (bluetooth etc...), in less than 3 minutes without any interaction whatsoever. And it just works. Not because of Omarchy per se, but because they scripted the hell out of it so it…

How well does it work if I want to move outside the scripted defaults?

It's not hard, but it's advisable to eventually set up a parallel blank Arch install where you configure everything from scratch based on things you liked from Omarchy.

I think the beauty of this is to get to understand all components in your system, which is quite simple actually.

Re: Cloudflare is sponsoring Ladybird and Omarchy

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Post by pmdr » Mon, Sep 22, 2025, 4:49 PM UTC

jwhiles wrote: post #173

odie5533 wrote: post #104

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I too hate when companies sponsor open source projects.

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> Not someone you publicly associate your organisation with him unless you want to send a certain message.

... that you like Linux, Rails and despise Apple?

Re: Cloudflare is sponsoring Ladybird and Omarchy

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Post by blahyawnblah » Mon, Sep 22, 2025, 4:51 PM UTC

superkuh wrote: post #164

robinhood wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't understand why we always assume bad faith. I wish more companies were like Cloudflare actually - trying to balance the need of revenues while trying to do good for internet and open source as a whole. As a normal user with a few sites, I'm glad they provide what they provide to block bots, attacks and everything AI.

Cloudflare is running the largest and longest denial of service attacks in the history of the internet by acting as arbitrary gatekeeper to important government sites like congress.gov. I haven't been able to load it in years.

It loads fine for me. Maybe you have some other problem?

Re: Cloudflare is sponsoring Ladybird and Omarchy

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Post by pkulak » Mon, Sep 22, 2025, 4:52 PM UTC

SubGenius wrote: post #3

Great to see CF sponsoring Ladybird! One of the most important projects out there right now. I run vanilla arch/i3, so not super interested in Omarchy itself - but am curious to know how polished of a distro they can come up with. I may give it a try soon.

I think it's pretty cool that I have something I can send to someone who uses a macbook and wants to try out linux. I use a custom Nix config that I've built up over the last 5 years; it's not exactly something I can recommend.

I currently recommend Bluefin... but this might be good for an _even_ easier (though less stable) setup, that has all the tiling bling.

Re: Cloudflare is sponsoring Ladybird and Omarchy

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Post by tracker1 » Mon, Sep 22, 2025, 4:55 PM UTC

SubGenius wrote: post #3

Great to see CF sponsoring Ladybird! One of the most important projects out there right now. I run vanilla arch/i3, so not super interested in Omarchy itself - but am curious to know how polished of a distro they can come up with. I may give it a try soon.

I kind of wish that Servo would get similar attention to get over the hump itself as well... afaik, Ladybird and Servo are both at a similar level in terms of standards support. Though Servo also really needs a full browser project around it, since it's an engine alone.

One thing I think that would be nice to see would be self-oriented browser config syncing using one of a few different cloud file sync backends, even evil ones (google drive, one-drive, dropbox, etc).