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Re: A New Internet Business Model?

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Post by kokanee »

coldpie wrote: post #11
falcor84 wrote: post #6

But what is this new business model, and how do we transition to it? There's so little actual detail there.

Yeah, I was waiting for "how are they going to shove AI into this?" and boom there it is halfway down the page. No content here (obvious problem: how does paying Reddit Inc to allow scraping result in money going to the person who created the content? shrug). Just more AI hype to get investor cash before the bubble bursts. Woopie. Edit: Re-read it and just noticed this: > assuming the AI companies are willing to step…

Waiting for the day when I can cash out my reddit karma for USD

Re: A New Internet Business Model?

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Post by zb3 »

> you’re still undermining the business model of those news sources.

Fantastic! I wish I could undermine their clickbait business model even more..

> But there’s reason for optimism

You mean Cloudflare being investigated for antitrust?

Re: A New Internet Business Model?

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Post by lo_zamoyski »

falcor84 wrote: post #12
xeonmc wrote: post #5

tldr, surely this article needs an ai summary at the top.

> Hardin threw himself back in the chair. “You know, that's the most interesting part of the whole business. I admit that I thought his Lordship a most consummate donkey when I first met him – but it turned out that he is an accomplished diplomat and a most clever man. I took the liberty of recording all his statements.” ... “When Houk, after two days of steady work, succeeded in eliminating meaningless statements, v…

Like a script from the pen of Tobias Fünke.

Re: A New Internet Business Model?

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Post by josefresco »

nojs wrote: post #16
falcor84 wrote: post #6

But what is this new business model, and how do we transition to it? There's so little actual detail there.

Charge site owners to protect the site from aggressive crawlers, charge crawlers/agents to bypass the protection. Like a good old fashioned protection racket

I guess it would be if Cloudflare was operating the bots.

Re: A New Internet Business Model?

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Post by velcrovan »

Everyone seems to be dismissing this without reading it. As a content publisher, I am very interested in any proposal that results in me getting residual payments from AI scrapers. That would indeed be a new internet business model.

This is also being attempted by RSL with their “Crawler Authentication Protocol” (https://rslstandard.org/guide/web-crawlers) for demanding proof of licensing from scrapers and RSL Collective (https://rslcollective.org) for providing the licensing itself. The missing piece there is the ability to detect scrapers with high accuracy without punishing regular browsing humans.

Re: A New Internet Business Model?

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Post by bix6 »

grahameb wrote: post #3

I hope that the next big shift will be to undo the asymmetry that crept into the internet quickly after it first became popular. Let us host stuff at home. Let us run odd and strange and great systems wherever we are. Undo the cloud, undo the capture of the net – I'm old enough to remember when we just had a bunch of boxen under a desk somewhere, and it was pretty great.

> Let us host stuff at home.

We can dream. ISP says NO!

Re: A New Internet Business Model?

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Post by riedel »

tofuziggy wrote: post #18
nojs wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Charge site owners to protect the site from aggressive crawlers, charge crawlers/agents to bypass the protection. Like a good old fashioned protection racket

Charge crawlers and pay site owners, and take a cut of course

Thanks for the tl;dr . Why is this blog post so long? Will they charge per token?

Re: A New Internet Business Model?

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Post by mritchie712 »

josefresco wrote: post #24
nojs wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Charge site owners to protect the site from aggressive crawlers, charge crawlers/agents to bypass the protection. Like a good old fashioned protection racket

I guess it would be if Cloudflare was operating the bots.

huh? they can block the bots

Re: A New Internet Business Model?

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Post by neuracnu »

In short: we'll have the machines tell the creators what to create.

> You could imagine an AI company suggesting back to creators that they need more created about topics they may not have enough content about. Say, for example, the carrying capacity of unladened swallows because they know their subscribers of a certain age and proclivity are always looking for answers about that topic. The very pruning algorithms the AI companies use today form a roadmap for what content is worth enough to not be pruned but paid for.

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