I'm spoiled by Apple Silicon but still love Framework

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Post by deevus » Mon, Sep 22, 2025, 1:03 PM UTC

I'm spoiled by Apple Silicon but still love Framework
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Re: I'm spoiled by Apple Silicon but still love Framework

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Post by deevus » Mon, Sep 22, 2025, 1:09 PM UTC

Author here. I'm posting this before bed. If there are any suggestions or questions I will answer in the morning.

Re: I'm spoiled by Apple Silicon but still love Framework

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Post by gjsman-1000 » Mon, Sep 22, 2025, 1:14 PM UTC

> Apple Silicon is built upon ARM64 which is apparently core to such great battery life.

Not really, actually. ARM isn’t terribly more efficient to decode than x86, and both are converted into micro-operations that are internal to the CPU.

The real strength is Apple’s custom ARM cores; as evidenced by the failure of Qualcomm and MediaTek to make anything quite like it, even with the same manufacturing nodes.

Re: I'm spoiled by Apple Silicon but still love Framework

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Post by [deleted] » Mon, Sep 22, 2025, 1:14 PM UTC

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Re: I'm spoiled by Apple Silicon but still love Framework

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Post by gclawes » Mon, Sep 22, 2025, 1:15 PM UTC

deevus wrote: post #2

Author here. I'm posting this before bed. If there are any suggestions or questions I will answer in the morning.

I've wanted to buy a Framework to have a linux laptop for so long, but exactly this issue of battery life is what's holding me back.

As soon as Asahi supports TouchID, I think my M1 will become a linux laptop...

Re: I'm spoiled by Apple Silicon but still love Framework

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Post by jeffbee » Mon, Sep 22, 2025, 1:16 PM UTC

The ISA has nothing to do with the battery life. Battery life is the result of getting details right at every level of the software stack. Framework doesn't control every level of the stack. Arguably they don't control any of it.

Re: I'm spoiled by Apple Silicon but still love Framework

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Post by timpera » Mon, Sep 22, 2025, 1:17 PM UTC

I wish Framework offered a laptop with an ARM64 processor.

I have a Surface Laptop 7 with a Snapdragon CPU on Windows 11 and it's been awesome so far. Insane battery life, especially in standby. I can reopen it after 48 hours and it only lost 3% of battery, while it stayed connected to WiFi and received notifications all along.

Re: I'm spoiled by Apple Silicon but still love Framework

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Post by cardanome » Mon, Sep 22, 2025, 1:18 PM UTC

As a Linux user I feel you.

The Mac Desktop is vastly inferior to the Linux world (for power users) but the hardware is so, so good.

For me it is about having a completely silent setup. It is so, so hard to go back to noisy fans.

I really hope Asahi Linux keep going so I can have the best of both worlds.

Re: I'm spoiled by Apple Silicon but still love Framework

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Post by atwrk » Mon, Sep 22, 2025, 1:18 PM UTC

> I haven’t measured it but I read that I should expect it to lose 3-4% in suspend every hour. Is that a joke?

That has to be a bug. I have a thinkpad with a Ryzen 7 6850U, running debian, and lose at most 3% per day.

Re: I'm spoiled by Apple Silicon but still love Framework

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Post by flkiwi » Mon, Sep 22, 2025, 1:19 PM UTC

This sounds like the so-called "modern standby" (S0 vs S3, if I remember correctly). I bought a thinkpad a while back with "modern standby" and the thing wouldn't last the night suspended, and would often wake me up with its fans howling and end up being very, very hot while suspended. I disabled "modern standby" in the BIOS and it was back to sleeping for weeks without losing charge. I have no idea if that's what's going on with Framework laptops, but "modern standby" is one of the dumbest changes I've ever seen in PC hardware. To my understanding it's to make laptops behave more like phones, but I've never experienced any meaningful difference in resume behavior between S0 and S3 suspend.