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The US Is Tracking 14 Potential Rabies Outbreaks in 20 States

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Re: The US Is Tracking 14 Potential Rabies Outbreaks in 20 States

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The short-term effects of relaxing vaccine requirements won’t be obvious right away, but the consequences will likely compound over time. I don’t know how much time of lower coverage it will take before we start to see measles, rabies, or others become regular problems again. If you’re traveling, it’s more important than ever to make sure your own vaccines are fully up to date. And if you’re in a high-risk group, the…

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Re: The US Is Tracking 14 Potential Rabies Outbreaks in 20 States

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post #28

The short-term effects of relaxing vaccine requirements won’t be obvious right away, but the consequences will likely compound over time. I don’t know how much time of lower coverage it will take before we start to see measles, rabies, or others become regular problems again. If you’re traveling, it’s more important than ever to make sure your own vaccines are fully up to date. And if you’re in a high-risk group, the…

> The short-term effects of relaxing vaccine requirements won’t be obvious right away, but the consequences will likely compound over time. I don’t know how much time of lower coverage it will take before we start to see measles, rabies, or others become regular problems again. Whatever you think of the current HHS leadership, pet dogs and wild animals are not getting rabies from unvaccinated humans.

But they get it from unvaccinated dogs? The point is that many Americans don’t want to use any vaccines anymore even for their pets

Re: The US Is Tracking 14 Potential Rabies Outbreaks in 20 States

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post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The short-term effects of relaxing vaccine requirements won’t be obvious right away, but the consequences will likely compound over time. I don’t know how much time of lower coverage it will take before we start to see measles, rabies, or others become regular problems again. Whatever you think of the current HHS leadership, pet dogs and wild animals are not getting rabies from unvaccinated humans.

But they get it from unvaccinated dogs? The point is that many Americans don’t want to use any vaccines anymore even for their pets

Citation absolutely required for that claim. Even ignoring the fact in order to get your pet licensed anywhere in the US you have to vaccinate it for Rabies, the transmission chain doesn't work that way.

When people get Rabies, they get it overwhelmingly from wild animals (or stray dogs in some parts of the world).

Re: The US Is Tracking 14 Potential Rabies Outbreaks in 20 States

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, in my experience, "in my experience" anecdotes are lazy. Though, I'm sure this is generally more true for some breeds more so than others.

Those people do not care about basic hygiene or safety, but somehow develop and practise complex medical opinions!

Have you talked to the kind of American voter who spouts antivax nonsense in the last decade? Because "these people but somehow develop and practice complex medical opinions " is literally true for millions.

Re: The US Is Tracking 14 Potential Rabies Outbreaks in 20 States

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Please stop posting this garbage. The US has 3 to 4000 animal cases per year and less than 10 human cases per year and the 6 cases is within the usual band. There’s no source, no detail, and the “14 potential outbreaks” are just business as usual with hotspots and alerts in those hotspots. The entire article is just a rabies faq stuffed with their ads.

Actual CDC data: https://www.cdc.gov/rabies/php/protecting-public-health/inde...

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

In my experience dog owners just do not care. Vaccine costs time and money. The same with training. Most dog owners are just lazy, and do not care. Adding some sophisticated explanations on top of that is pointless.

Well, in my experience, "in my experience" anecdotes are lazy. Though, I'm sure this is generally more true for some breeds more so than others.

In my experience, if you know a few people who are doing the same thing, that’s a sign of a trend. Jeff Bezos has this great quote: When the data and the anecdotes disagree, the anecdotes are usually right. I’ve also found that to be true. The people you know are different from the average person, but they’re not that different. On the other hand economic surveys and such can be very slow to respond to big changes.

Re: The US Is Tracking 14 Potential Rabies Outbreaks in 20 States

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post #25

Scary. This site has useful information about rabies and the treatment but other articles say more about the outbreaks. So far there is no pattern. It spans the entire country, east coast to west coast to Alaska. The animals involved have no pattern either.

Rising global temperatures will likely lead to increased pathogen activity.

Curious why that is?

Re: The US Is Tracking 14 Potential Rabies Outbreaks in 20 States

#38

Here's an article from late August with some detail [1], including the affected states: New York, Massachusetts, Alaska, Arizona, California, Indiana, Kentucky, Maine, North Carolina, Oregon and Vermont. I can't find anything about it on the CDC website though. Edited to add another charming detail from the article: "A 2023 study published in the journal Vaccine found in a nationally representative sample of American…

In my experience dog owners just do not care. Vaccine costs time and money. The same with training. Most dog owners are just lazy, and do not care. Adding some sophisticated explanations on top of that is pointless.

In my experience, if you get a dog you go to the government and pay the dog tax. The dog needs to have id, be chipped, and comes with a token you put on the leash. Part of the process is enforcing vaccination. If a dog has no such token, it’s considered a stray dog.

To so many issues, watching as a bystander from the outside, solutions exist, but the US seems to have a penchant for ignoring them and then claiming their problem is somehow not comparable to everyone else’s.

Re: The US Is Tracking 14 Potential Rabies Outbreaks in 20 States

#39

The short-term effects of relaxing vaccine requirements won’t be obvious right away, but the consequences will likely compound over time. I don’t know how much time of lower coverage it will take before we start to see measles, rabies, or others become regular problems again. If you’re traveling, it’s more important than ever to make sure your own vaccines are fully up to date. And if you’re in a high-risk group, the…

> The short-term effects of relaxing vaccine requirements won’t be obvious right away, but the consequences will likely compound over time. I don’t know how much time of lower coverage it will take before we start to see measles, rabies, or others become regular problems again.

Rabies vaccines have never been required. You're only expected to get them after being bitten by a potentially-rabid animal.

Re: The US Is Tracking 14 Potential Rabies Outbreaks in 20 States

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> six people have died from rabies nationwide since September 2024, a US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention spokesperson confirmed to CNN. In addition, the CDC is tracking 14 potential outbreaks in 20 states, So is that high or low? It would be useful to know what the median and max cases per year has been over the last few decades. 14 potential doesn't sound that bad if we're investigating them out of an abu…

In recent history, most all of the rabies cases in the U.S. have been from infections acquired in other countries. The fact that there are outbreaks at all is concerning and suggestive of an immunity tipping point being approached.
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