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That said, the Apple 40W charger does support AVS according to the fine print on its exterior: https://photos5.appleinsider.com/gallery/65105-135925-Dynami... I could definitely see maximum sustained charging speeds only being sustained with optimal supply voltages, which minimizes converter loss (and thereby heat, which is the actual limiting factor for fast charging these days) in the phone.
I didn’t say the charger doesn’t support AVS. AVS is fine, but the practical impact on charging time is going to be difficult to notice in this specific case, if it exists at all. Apple does not even hint that AVS is needed to meet their charging time claim in their official documentation: https://support.apple.com/en-us/102574 Apple simply says “For iPhone 17 models, you can charge up to 50% battery in around 20 min…
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#152I wonder what temperature this thing hits. I have an even smaller 65 W GAN charger[0] that gets pretty toasty under load. I can't really see Apple wanting to ship a toasty charger, though. [0]: https://rollingsquare.com/products/supertiny-the-smallest-65...
https://www.reddit.com/r/UsbCHardware/comments/1nfhctl/hands... Hot but not too hot
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#153Earlier quoted context omitted.
The device being charged controls the charging current. Typically for smaller gadgets, a single resistor connected to the charge controller IC sets the current. Bigger things like laptops may be more sophisticated.
Re: more sophisticated USB-PD now has a standard for having sink devices request a particular current from the charger, meaning that you could actually remove a converter from the sink device side, because with a programmable source, the current limiting happens on the power supply side. Cool stuff especially for small electronics like wearables. Generally though if you want to charge with USB-PD and accept all kinds…
Devices that support it can potentially charge more efficiently (and by extension more quickly, if they're limited by heat dissipation), but they can't rely on any USB-PD adapter supporting it.
It's also different from AVS (which Apple's adapter seems to support), which allows controlling the voltage in finer steps, but not limiting the current in the same way that PPS does.
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#154Earlier quoted context omitted.
I didn’t say the charger doesn’t support AVS. AVS is fine, but the practical impact on charging time is going to be difficult to notice in this specific case, if it exists at all. Apple does not even hint that AVS is needed to meet their charging time claim in their official documentation: https://support.apple.com/en-us/102574 Apple simply says “For iPhone 17 models, you can charge up to 50% battery in around 20 min…
It could of course also be included only for power efficiency without being strictly necessary for optimal charging performance, but cooling performance can vary between cases and with environmental conditions, so I suspect it might be at least partially a functional requirement.
If you want to get technical, the difference in conversion losses between AVS at 13.3V@3A and a non-AVS 15V PDO @ 2.667A is going to be rounding error. Both need to be regulated down to about 3.5V to 4.2V by the phone's internal circuitry. A hypothetical buck converter that is just as efficient at 15V -> 3.5V as it is at 13.3V -> 3.5V would see no difference at all in heat generation. In the real world, such a small difference in input voltages at >1A would likely yield a less than 1% efficiency difference. 1% of 40W is 0.4W, but I repeat: I am saying less than 1%, not 1%. Based on tests I've seen in the past, previous iPhones could dissipate at least 4W of power continuously, forever, in normal ambient conditions. For a 95% efficient buck converter (which is probably conservative here), the total thermal load from charging at 40W is 2W. Unless the thermal load exceeds 4W, there should be no difference in charging speed potential. 2W + 0.4W would be 2.4W, which is well below the 4W threshold, and the buck converter on a high end smartphone is probably more than 95% efficient, while the difference in input voltages probably yields less than 1% difference in efficiency, so 2.4W is a very conservative number here. Keep in mind that phones can dissipate significantly more than 4W for brief bursts, and the charge curve on the battery isn't going to allow 40W charging for very long regardless of the thermals, so the phone likely has even more thermal headroom here in the real world. Even a 20V PDO @ 2A -> 3.5V should be perfectly fine here. I see no evidence that there is even a possibility of AVS making a difference here unless you wrap the phone in real insulation (not a phone case) or stick it in a toaster oven while charging.
Talking about how there might be an imperceptible difference under very specific extreme conditions is exactly what I would call fearmongering in a thread where someone was specifically asking for recommendations. It won't matter to anyone, ever, in any real world situation. This is not the thread to be contrarian for the sake of digging into minutiae. You're welcome to start a thread where that is the goal.
In summary: OP does not need to buy a fancy AVS-enabled charger. They shouldn't avoid such chargers, but there is no reason to get one. Unless you have material proof to the contrary that you want to present, but it seems like you don't.
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#155Hopefully Apple releases a UK version of this adapter soon. The design looks very similar to my beloved Apple UK 20W charger [1]. I’d buy a 40-60W version in a heartbeat! [1] https://www.amazon.co.uk/Apple-20W-USB-C-Power-Adapter/dp/B0...
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#156UGreen and Anker has me already covered for these types of powerful but small chargers. They are not limited to one port like the Apple chargers are.
Are they full power to both ports simultaneously, or do they split between them?
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#157My main criteria are (1) dual USB-C ports to charge multiple devices in one location, (2) compact enough to not block the other receptacle, and (3) ports face down/to the side so can fit between the wall and furniture. Unfortunately most chargers fail at least one of these.
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#158I have an HP Zbook G1a laptop that uses 140W USB PD charging. However, except for the HP charger, I have not found a charger or cable pair that works. After a while they start cycling charging on and off. Under heavy load that happens almost immediately. Under light loads it might take hours.
Is there a ChargerLAB product that can explain what exactly is going on between the computer and the charger?
I have used Anker, Insignia and some random USB-C PD chargers and cables rated for 100-140-240W from various vendors.
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I was mildly impressed until it got to the wall of slack-jawed selfies featuring titles like “gen-streamer” and my scam alarm bell started ringing.
I own a couple of these devices and they are the real deal but I understand how that can be off putting. Full disclosure: they use some Chinese shipping service I’ve never heard of that may raise scam alerts further. The adapters are smaller than comparables I have and work with every device I’ve tried. That being said, I haven’t done a teardown and I’ve only used them about half a year so far.
Re: Teardown of Apple 40W dynamic power adapter with 60W max
#160UGreen and Anker has me already covered for these types of powerful but small chargers. They are not limited to one port like the Apple chargers are.
Are they full power to both ports simultaneously, or do they split between them?