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Cormac McCarthy's tips on how to write a science paper (2019) [pdf]

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Re: Cormac McCarthy's tips on how to write a science paper (2019) [pdf]

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I recently wrote a paper for a conference that ended up being rejected, with a split review (2 for, 1 against). As a non-academic that wrote a paper for the first time, I'll say that writing a good science paper takes an absurd amount of time, even on a topic you are very well versed in. It is also way different than other forms of writing, like blogs or technical documentation. Frankly, I'm astounded I've even manag…

Congratulations on getting that far! There's a story there – how did you get into writing this paper? What is it about?

Well, that's a long story. I'll try and keep it short.

So I've worked in my spare time for the past three years on an extremely esoteric and mind-bending reverse engineering technique I call delinking [1] and my tool for it [2] developed a small user-base. At some point I saw in a Discord server a call for papers for the SURE workshop, shitposted that it'd be funny to fry academic brains for a change, then got baited into writing it.

What started out as a long paper (12 pages) with quantitative case studies quickly got cut down to the bone and then some into a short paper (6 pages) that merely introduced my take on it and two qualitative case reports, because I realized it would take an amount of work on the scale of a master's thesis to do the long one. I barely managed to get that out of the door as my usual writing style is extremely unsuited for scientific papers (it took all the might of Gemini and Copilot to even wring out something that vaguely resembles academic vernacular from my first draft). I've submitted it, exhausted and deeply unsatisfied by the compromises I've had to do under that severe time crunch.

Then one month later, the reviews came in. The feedback was that the topic and my take on it were interesting; the criticisms can be summarized by saying that I've missed existing related work and it would've taken the long paper to address all the deficiencies in my paper. Fair I guess, but I definitely don't have that kind of spare time to spare on writing papers.

But alongside the notification decision, something unexpected was also sent: an invitation by the program committee to present a poster at the ACM CCS 2025 conference in Taiwan. This is the kind of world-class conference with a $1800 entry ticket, happening in a convention center whose area is measured in hectares, attended by professional members of an academic, industrial or state organization, all expenses paid in a five star hotel room with a king bed.

Somehow, a hobbyist who can charitably be described as a Doctor Frankenstein but with bits instead of gibs, who creates unholy chimeras of programs in his free time in spite of ABIs and common sense, received an invitation from the Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry equivalent of the cyber-security academic world to present a poster. I can't even begin to express how utterly impossible this is.

So of course I said yes and now I'm in a mad dash to get everything ready in time for the conference, three weeks from now. Bonus point: it's on the other side of the planet and in my entire adult life I've basically never got farther away than the next county (and groaning while doing so). There's even more to that story, but I'll leave it for a blog post once it's done.

[1] Others call it unlinking, binary splitting or binary reassembly.

[2] https://github.com/boricj/ghidra-delinker-extension

Re: Cormac McCarthy's tips on how to write a science paper (2019) [pdf]

#42
post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would assume that his suggestions for clarity in "scientific papers" and his literary style don't overlap all that much to infer the former from the later.

This is certainly the case, but it does make it all the more amusing that the myth > Commas denote a pause in speaking.... Speak the sentence aloud to find pauses. made its way into this article. Hard to imagine that this particular point, to which I might attribute many of the comma splices I see in scientific writing, actually came from a professional writer.

McCarthy's books involve unrelenting violence. If he viewed commas as pauses, it makes sense that he would never use them.

Re: Cormac McCarthy's tips on how to write a science paper (2019) [pdf]

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one thing i've noticed about scientific writing: many early-career folks are afraid to make things too simple and easy to understand because they (subconsciously?) fear that it makes their work seem simplistic or trivial. when you're an academic that has built a great deal of your self identity around being perceived as 'the smart one', it takes a fair amount self-confidence to start presenting yourself in a way that…

I keep hearing this exact same idea and it puzzles me a great deal. Is it a computer science thing? I'm doing a PhD in signal processing / engineering and people seem to care a lot about giving simple and clear explanations so I don't really relate!

That's professional deformation, because signals are supposed to be clear and easily identifiable among noise.

Re: Cormac McCarthy's tips on how to write a science paper (2019) [pdf]

#45
post #21

I like the advice about avoiding footnotes. Citing sources is fine. Almost all other footnotes and information from links should either be omitted or incorporated into the main text. They are too disruptive to the flow of reading. > Find a good editor you can trust and who will spend real time and thought on your work. Haha, sure, I will send it to my LLM -- ... I mean "editor." :)

Footnotes make scientific work more accessible and enrich the conversation. In Laurie Garrett’s “The Coming Plague”, the footnotes alone are worth the price. Even in monographs, when reviewing literature in an area where I’m not a specialist, I find footnotes valuable.

> Footnotes make scientific work more accessible and enrich the conversation.

I disagree. Readers have no way of knowing whether they can be safely skipped or not. Relevant information should go into the main text. If a paragraph starts out uninteresting enough, readers will skip it anyway.

Re: Cormac McCarthy's tips on how to write a science paper (2019) [pdf]

#46

"Use minimalism to achieve clarity. While you are writing, ask yourself: is it possible to preserve my original message without that punctuation mark, that word, that sentence, that paragraph or that section?" This echoes advice I first read in Strunk & White. It remains the most actionable tip for better writing I'm aware of, technical or otherwise. Aside: I consider McCarthy's residency at SFI an ideal job

Sorry, but he takes it too far. McCarthy's omission of punctuation makes his books difficult to understand who is saying what, and a challenge to follow especially with dialogue. The Road and No Country for Old Men both do not contain quotation marks for speech, and he omits the common speech tags like "he said" or "she exclaimed" which makes it a challenge to know who is saying what. It is a choice and the art form…

I recently read Blood Meridian, the only one of his books I've read. I agree this was a bit jarring and confusing at the start, but I got used to it by the end.

Though I haven't read any scientific papers, so can't comment on those.

Re: Cormac McCarthy's tips on how to write a science paper (2019) [pdf]

#47

one thing i've noticed about scientific writing: many early-career folks are afraid to make things too simple and easy to understand because they (subconsciously?) fear that it makes their work seem simplistic or trivial. when you're an academic that has built a great deal of your self identity around being perceived as 'the smart one', it takes a fair amount self-confidence to start presenting yourself in a way that…

I keep hearing this exact same idea and it puzzles me a great deal. Is it a computer science thing? I'm doing a PhD in signal processing / engineering and people seem to care a lot about giving simple and clear explanations so I don't really relate!

In my experience in neuroscience it even differs widely across programs/universities. Some good professors care about giving good talks, and if you're lucky it becomes contagious in the program. Others think less of you if it's clear, some are too naive to realize obscurity is not a virtue.

Re: Cormac McCarthy's tips on how to write a science paper (2019) [pdf]

#48
post #21

I like the advice about avoiding footnotes. Citing sources is fine. Almost all other footnotes and information from links should either be omitted or incorporated into the main text. They are too disruptive to the flow of reading. > Find a good editor you can trust and who will spend real time and thought on your work. Haha, sure, I will send it to my LLM -- ... I mean "editor." :)

Footnotes are very tempting in a methods section where there’s no end to additional details to add in. However, it’s probably better to put all of that into an appendix/supplemental material section (if the journal allows it). Having a section like that can be a bit freeing — it’s an info dump meant to be read by those looking for a specific implementation detail so it doesn’t need to “read well”

Re: Cormac McCarthy's tips on how to write a science paper (2019) [pdf]

#49

Most of the advice is good, though not particularly different from an advice you would give about writing any essays. This one though: > Avoid placing equations in the middle of sentences. Mathematics is not the same as English, and we shouldn’t pretend it is. I don't know what to make of it. Equations are supposed to be part of sentences, and mathematical equations are compact expressions of relations. For example,…

I think it's just wrong. Related, linked recently here: https://dwest.web.illinois.edu/grammar.html

The authors are biologists, so I suspect they're not particularly versed in mathematical writing (and that McCarthy was not likely providing them much advice on it).

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