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The best YouTube downloaders, and how Google silenced the press

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Re: The best YouTube downloaders, and how Google silenced the press

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I might be out of the loop, but doesn't YouTube already allow downloading videos? I don't understand the purpose of these tools

Youtube's iPad app allows you to download videos, but there is no way to extract them from the app (for use for example in a different app or to edit or to upload to a different video-sharing site).

Re: The best YouTube downloaders, and how Google silenced the press

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> Google needs YouTube downloaders. They perform a valuable role: If it were impossible to download YouTube videos, many organizations would abandon hosting their videos on YouTube for a platform that offered more user flexibility. Or they’d need to host a separate download link and put it in their YouTube descriptions. But organizations don’t need to jump through hoops -- they just let people use YouTube downloaders…

Also, if you upload a video to YouTube you can download it from YouTube Studio at any time, so that doesn't add up at all. YouTube just doesn't make this available via API, but you've always been able to manually from YouTube Studio download your uploaded videos.

Surely you would have the originals locally and not rely on youtube to archive yours uploads?

Re: The best YouTube downloaders, and how Google silenced the press

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The claim that Google secretly wants YouTube downloaders to work doesn't hold up. Their focus is on delivering videos across a vast range of devices without breaking playback(and even that is blurring[0]), not enabling downloads. If you dive into the yt-dlp source code, you see the insane complexity of calculations needed to download a video. There is code to handle nsig checks, internal YouTube API quirks, and const…

Why don’t creators both publish to YouTube but also publish somewhere else for archival or public access reasons, to help keep content available for outside walled gardens? Is it just not important to them? Is it hosting costs? Missing out on ad revenue?

There's no incentive for them to do so. It reduces their ad revenue, while costing more money to host it. That said, if you are a creator and you do want to do it, Peertube is a good option because it uses torrent technology to reduce your hosting costs.

Re: The best YouTube downloaders, and how Google silenced the press

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DRM isn't perfect of course, but it largely works. Unlike with Youtube videos, you can't just freely pull something off GitHub and crack Widevine level 1 DRM. The tools and extracted secret keys that release groups use to pirate 4K content are protected and not generally available. This doesn't matter if you want to find something popular enough for a release group to drop in a torrent, but if you have personal acces…

No, it really is not that complicated at all. You can just go online and grab software to bypass any and all DRM. It's called OBS. All DRM content must be rendered into meatspace at some point and there is literally no possible way to prevent this. Record your screen, record your system audio. It's pretty trivial

Related: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analog_hole

Re: The best YouTube downloaders, and how Google silenced the press

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For the android spot I'd like to recommend Seal: https://f-droid.org/packages/com.junkfood.seal/ It's "just" a yt-dlp frontend with a nice UI, meaning it works with sites other than youtube as well. It also adds a quick-download option to the android sharing menu when sharing a link, which I've found incredibly convenient.

I'd like to recommend YTDLnis for Android: https://github.com/deniscerri/ytdlnis

Been using it as a replacement for YouTube. I don't stream nowadays, only download.

Re: The best YouTube downloaders, and how Google silenced the press

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I have YT Premium and if Google bans yt-dlp, I will cancel my subscription. I pay them not to do that.

Seems quite naive to think they'd be affected in any way by the tiny intersection of users that are both yt-dlp users and premium subscribers boycotting them...

If every user of yt-dlp did as I do, then it would have exactly the effect that it needs to have. If yt-dlp is used by a small minority of users, why would Google be antagonistic to it? And if it's used by sizeable portion of users, then they would care.

Re: The best YouTube downloaders, and how Google silenced the press

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Is Stacher open source? Last time I searched 'stacher open source' on Google, I found a Reddit thread discussing when it might become open source. EDIT: The reason I ask is that the article says Stacher is open source, and that is news to me.

I couldn't find any source code either. Cobalt also isn't really libre; their backend is AGPL, which is great, but their frontend is CC BY-NC-SA, which is not so great (and definitely not open-source).

I'd advise against downloading via someone else's servers anyway, as can be seen by their instance being blocked by Google. Hopefully some day someone manages to port yt-dlp to WASM, then it can be run locally in the browser without needing a download.

Fun fact: yt-dlp is public domain! That's really generous of them and I'm really thankful for their work.

Re: The best YouTube downloaders, and how Google silenced the press

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One of the things that drives me crazy about YouTube is that if a video gets taken down, it shows up as a "This video is no longer available" with no further metadata. I am far, far more uptight about no knowing which video was removed than I am about the fact that it is no longer available. I have put serious thought into creating a tool that would automatically yt-dlp every video I open to a giant hard drive and ap…

You might find https://findyoutubevideo.thetechrobo.ca/ to be helpful! It was posted before on HN here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38228481

Re: The best YouTube downloaders, and how Google silenced the press

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One of the things that drives me crazy about YouTube is that if a video gets taken down, it shows up as a "This video is no longer available" with no further metadata. I am far, far more uptight about no knowing which video was removed than I am about the fact that it is no longer available. I have put serious thought into creating a tool that would automatically yt-dlp every video I open to a giant hard drive and ap…

Agreed, I can't describe the sadness that some of my most treasured nostalgic videos were lost before I knew about yt-dlp, and I can't find out what their titles even were. For example on spotify when music gets removed, if it's in your playlist it just shows it greyed out and unplayable. Someone at google please give us the ability to see titles!

Not by default. The normal spotify setting is to simply silently remove them. You have to turn on the “show unplayable tracks” preference to know that your playlists have been altered without your consent.

Re: The best YouTube downloaders, and how Google silenced the press

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post #192

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also, if you upload a video to YouTube you can download it from YouTube Studio at any time, so that doesn't add up at all. YouTube just doesn't make this available via API, but you've always been able to manually from YouTube Studio download your uploaded videos.

Surely you would have the originals locally and not rely on youtube to archive yours uploads?

People who do this are a minority. The vast majority have the masters only available on YouTube.

I hope your “surely” was in jest.

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