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Restriction on Entry of Certain Nonimmigrant Workers

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Re: Restriction on Entry of Certain Nonimmigrant Workers

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Post by C-x_C-f »

sokoloff wrote: post #27
C-x_C-f wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I still don't see what the issue is. Consider two scenarios: 1. H-1Bs get massively reduced over the next five years. Tech sector crisis ensues due to market shocks. Foreign workers decrease. American workers go up by 25% (~2.5M). 2. H-1B numbers stay as is. Tech sector relatively unperturbed. Foreign workers increase by 50% (~1.3M). American workers increase by 30% (~3M). Wouldn't you argue that 2 is preferable to 1…

Are you asking if I would prefer a tech market that didn't experience a crisis over one that did and from my answer of "of course I do", believe that proves some unrelated point?

The relevant variable here is the increase in jobs. The crisis in my example is just some exogenous variable. I'm genuinely trying to understand your point. In my view, if one cared more about difference in relative increases inter-group rather than absolute differences intra-group, then scenario 1 would be preferable.

Re: Restriction on Entry of Certain Nonimmigrant Workers

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

DaveExeter wrote: post #19
C-x_C-f wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How are H-1Bs comparable to nepotism?

Maybe because nepotism leads to untalented people getting jobs? I think the $100K fee is a good idea. If these H-1Bs are exceptional talent, paying $100k to employ one is truly a bargain.

What if China only charges $1k or even free for the same people? I mean, they are doing lots of AI work now also, and you can already see a few foreign programmers in Beijing, Shanghai, and Shenzhen. What is stopping Apple, Microsoft, Meta, or Amazon from doing even more work in India or other countries because they can't get the people they need in the US, or its just cheaper to setup more research jobs in Stockholm or London than it is in Seattle or San Jose?

Its not like it isn't already a work market for talent. $100k is a significant amount of friction to overcome.

Re: Restriction on Entry of Certain Nonimmigrant Workers

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Post by ojbyrne »

alephnerd wrote: post #18
nonethewiser wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why does it break it worse?

This does nothing to stop the rise of GCCs. In tech industry, we already began slowing down H1B hiring after COVID, and remote work only exacerbated that trend (I can't justify spending $150k plus an additional 25-35% in withholdings, medical, and benefits when I can hire 2-3 people with a similar outlay in Praha or Bangalore or Tel Aviv). At least with H1B hiring, there was some incentive for industries like cyberse…

What’s a GCC?

Re: Restriction on Entry of Certain Nonimmigrant Workers

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Post by cvhc »

psidium wrote: post #21
whatever1 wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You cannot renew a visa (any visa) in the US. You need to exit the country and apply to a US consulate.

Yes, but a visa stamp renewal is a visa “application” while the document that allows the application is the “petition”, which is the word used on this text and the step requiring the payment.

"Section 1. Restriction on Entry. (a) ... the entry into the United States..., is restricted, except for those aliens whose petitions are accompanied or supplemented by a payment of $100,000".

OK, if I consider this interpretation, which of the following do you think will apply to already-approved H-1B petitioners: 1. Existing H-1B holder can amend their already-approved petition by "supplementing a payment" to become eligible for a visa and re-entry. 2. It's not possible to amend an already-approved H-1B petition. So existing H-1B holders can never satisfy the requirement. They cannot re-enter with H-1B visa anymore. 3. This EO is not retrospective. So already-approved H-1B petitioners (with or without visa) are fine.

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Post by alephnerd »

nonethewiser wrote: post #6

H1-B program is exploited. They are not supposed to be hired unless there aren't Americans who can fill the role. There should be a large fee associated with it.

Find me a dozen new grads with exploit development experience or OS internals knowhow beyond a summary course.

I can do that in Tel Aviv over a week.

Re: Restriction on Entry of Certain Nonimmigrant Workers

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Post by C-x_C-f »

yahway wrote: post #36
C-x_C-f wrote: post #7

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America got to the moon without H1-Bs. America doesn't need H1-Bs. America just needs a little wake up call, which the H1-Bs did. Now watch things unfold as an informed person.

> America got to the moon without H1-Bs.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Paperclip

From the linked article:

> The operation played a crucial role in the establishment of NASA and the success of the Apollo missions to the Moon.

Re: Restriction on Entry of Certain Nonimmigrant Workers

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Post by hilsdev »

C-x_C-f wrote: post #25
sokoloff wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't focus on the nepotism aspect specifically, but rather that job group in one distinct, identifiable population (my kid or H1Bs) grew at a far higher rate than for the general (not my kids or not H1Bs) employment market, despite the latter experiencing more absolute growth.

I still don't see what the issue is. Consider two scenarios: 1. H-1Bs get massively reduced over the next five years. Tech sector crisis ensues due to market shocks. Foreign workers decrease. American workers go up by 25% (~2.5M). 2. H-1B numbers stay as is. Tech sector relatively unperturbed. Foreign workers increase by 50% (~1.3M). American workers increase by 30% (~3M). Wouldn't you argue that 2 is preferable to 1…

I too am capable of semi random number generation

Re: Restriction on Entry of Certain Nonimmigrant Workers

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Post by alephnerd »

ojbyrne wrote: post #33
alephnerd wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This does nothing to stop the rise of GCCs. In tech industry, we already began slowing down H1B hiring after COVID, and remote work only exacerbated that trend (I can't justify spending $150k plus an additional 25-35% in withholdings, medical, and benefits when I can hire 2-3 people with a similar outlay in Praha or Bangalore or Tel Aviv). At least with H1B hiring, there was some incentive for industries like cyberse…

What’s a GCC?

Global Capability Center - think offshoring, except now you have a VP or GM assigned at that office, and a couple of P/L owning PMs and Eng Directors and actual IP being created.

Basically, back office work offshoring like in the 2000s is dead. Now entire revenue generating or complex IP product lines are being produced by offshore teams.

GCP's Security and K8s portfolio is a good example of that or that team at Facebook's Infra Silicon team in Bangalore.

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