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Re: Nostr

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Post by Wilduck »

jonstaab wrote: post #266
lxe wrote: post #236

Why can't these projects separate the use-cases from philosophies and from implementation when presenting them? At first glance I don't understand what this is. Is it a social network? A protocol? "Pro-censorship? I need to read some blog article... It's been like this with scuttlebutt/gossip, and rest of the alternative internet/fediverse with mastodont and activitypub and diaspora. Instead of asking questions like…

Nostr is essentially a compromise between p2p and traditional web architectures. It cuts with the grain of the internet by using web servers, while reducing the dependence users have on servers by using keys for identity and digital signatures for authenticating data. The effect is that users have "credible exit" (among other things), which has been discussed for years. This doesn't really create any new "use cases",…

I don't want to be mean, but this post has exactly the problem the person you're replying to was complaining about. The person you're replying to, I think, would like an explanation that reads more like "It's like Twitter, but not tied to a mega-corp, just for you and your pals". I don't know if that description actually fits Nostr though because, like the person you're replying to, I have a pretty hard time understanding what Nostr actually _is_.

Re: Nostr

#272

Post by numpad0 »

jazzyjackson wrote: post #218
numpad0 wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

- The smaller group says they see TONS of $thing, - the larger group says they see NONE of $thing, - both are looking at the EXACT same thing. -> The disagreement is in the definition of $thing. It can't get clearer. How else would you explain it? Either you're lying(I guess not), or your definition is way off, or those secret underground organizations made some mistake and their secret Facebook group illegal content…

Or maybe nostr is based on relays and no one user sees the whole network?

But aren't relays supposed to be completely architecturally different from Mastodon instances? I thought that very point of Nostr is that choice of relays should not (directly) lead to availability or mix of contents.

Re: Nostr

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Post by imiric »

ioasuncvinvaer wrote: post #248
imiric wrote: post #202

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If one has to specify that software is apolitical, it isn't. That conclusion doesn't track. In a time when a lot of software has become politically charged, it's perfectly reasonable to specify when that isn't the case. > No software exists in a vacuum, even the license terms are a political statement. Software doesn't exist in a vacuum, but not all licenses are the same. There are many licenses that don't place an…

> If it attracts a certain type of political ideology, that has to do with the people who find the software appealing, not with the software itself. Or they find that this is the only place their politics are accepted. A nazi bar is not better than any other bar.

What place exactly? The software is a decentralized protocol that anyone can use. If you don't like nazis, don't go to nazi bars.

Re: Nostr

#274

Post by Yizahi »

enether wrote: post #213
Yizahi wrote: post #187

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And extremely centralized in the so-called Lightning version. Due to ridiculously absurd requirements of the Lightning layer (bidirectional channels on L1, locking funds in advance, solving NP-hard problem thousand times per second a scale etc.) everyone basically resorts to using very few centralized entities as a pseudo-bank, who issues virtual paper, IOUs, which which wallets trade on L2. Basically all negatives o…

It's still pretty affordable and not-hard to run your own Lightning node; The pseudo-bank hosted wallets people use (e.g Wallet of Satoshi) is purely out of convenience. The real lesson is that most people don't care enough about the underlying risks - they care about convenience.

If I'm not mistaken, running own Lightning node would mean opening channels to every single merchant you want to trade with AND those same merchants would need to open a symmetric channel back to you with the same amount of locked funds. And then during the transaction this system would need magically solve traveling salesman problem per each transaction in the system, taking into account that after each completed transaction system state changes. Oh, and those channels are all on L1, which has 7 tps on best days.

Lightning can't work distributed, by design. It's a silly architecture. I guess the problem that the proponents of the alternative were slightly mental, sealed the fate of the BTC. It really should have increased block size, multiple times by now, and don't bother with stuff that can't work.

Re: Nostr

#275

Post by jonstaab »

Wilduck wrote: post #271
jonstaab wrote: post #266

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nostr is essentially a compromise between p2p and traditional web architectures. It cuts with the grain of the internet by using web servers, while reducing the dependence users have on servers by using keys for identity and digital signatures for authenticating data. The effect is that users have "credible exit" (among other things), which has been discussed for years. This doesn't really create any new "use cases",…

I don't want to be mean, but this post has exactly the problem the person you're replying to was complaining about. The person you're replying to, I think, would like an explanation that reads more like "It's like Twitter, but not tied to a mega-corp, just for you and your pals". I don't know if that description actually fits Nostr though because, like the person you're replying to, I have a pretty hard time understa…

My point is that question is sort of a category error. It's like asking what type of business the internet is for, or what the use case of smart phones is.

Here are a few things built on nostr, with specific use cases:

primal.net is a twitter-like client with bitcoin micropayments and long-form articles (also see coracle.social, nosotros.app, jumble.social, Amethyst, Damus, yakihonne.com and many others); zap.stream is a twitch-like client for live streaming; flotilla.social and chachi.chat are group chat clients; dtan.xyz is a client for torrenting on nostr; satlantis.io is sort of a travel ratings thing; zap.cooking is a recipe website; yakbak.app is for voice messages; nutstash.app is a cashu wallet built on nostr; cashumints.space lists cashu mints that advertise themselves on nostr.

What's neat is that all these clients can do things the way they want to, but remain interoperable, which means that new developers can create an app and immediately have access to all existing nostr users and their social graph.

Re: Nostr

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Post by athrowaway3z »

BinaryIgor wrote: post #210
jeroenhd wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Accounts" in this case are just a public/private key pair. You can host your own relay (and nobody will hear what you have to say unless they subscribe to it), but you can use the same public key ("account") on any nostr relay. You can broadcast your posts to all relays, or just some, or just your own, depending on how you feel. You can, in theory, generate a new key for every post if you want to. The relays don't c…

Yes; and because your key is your identity, losing your key or having it stolen basically means that you have to start from scratch; there is no "I forgot my password" mechanism

I don't use nostr, but this is one of those really upsetting things where technical people are utterly blinded by their dogma.

How did you register as BinaryIgor? You and ycombinator exchanged a pubkey. ycombinator registered theirs with a DNS register, while you threw yours away.

ycombinator has 100% ownership over your identity. There is no way to prove to me you are you without ycombinator.

Having ycombinator be your naming service is useful, and so any distributed system would be wise to re-implement an analog.

But what a supernet signing scheme offers is in addition to "forgot my password" it also has a "ycombinator disappeared / betrayed our trust" feature where your ID and messages exists outside ycombinator - as long as you remember your password.

What we're currently doing: throwing away our keys and let ycombinator resign our messages with theirs; is bad for the power balance between user and the admin.

Re: Nostr

#278

Post by bmicraft »

jonstaab wrote: post #275
Wilduck wrote: post #271

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't want to be mean, but this post has exactly the problem the person you're replying to was complaining about. The person you're replying to, I think, would like an explanation that reads more like "It's like Twitter, but not tied to a mega-corp, just for you and your pals". I don't know if that description actually fits Nostr though because, like the person you're replying to, I have a pretty hard time understa…

My point is that question is sort of a category error. It's like asking what type of business the internet is for, or what the use case of smart phones is. Here are a few things built on nostr, with specific use cases: primal.net is a twitter-like client with bitcoin micropayments and long-form articles (also see coracle.social, nosotros.app, jumble.social, Amethyst, Damus, yakihonne.com and many others); zap.stream…

The question isnt a category error and deserves a direct answer.

If I follow what you're saying the answer could have been: "it's a framework/set of protocols for building a Twitter that can show all the stuff on other compatible Google+/Facebooks"

Re: Nostr

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Post by baobun »

lxe wrote: post #236

Why can't these projects separate the use-cases from philosophies and from implementation when presenting them? At first glance I don't understand what this is. Is it a social network? A protocol? "Pro-censorship? I need to read some blog article... It's been like this with scuttlebutt/gossip, and rest of the alternative internet/fediverse with mastodont and activitypub and diaspora. Instead of asking questions like…

Nobody's stopping you from making that site, you know?

Re: Nostr

#280

Post by baobun »

goodpoint wrote: post #75
t1E9mE7JTRjf wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would interpret it as anyone is welcome. The only barrier to entry is an internet connection, and even that is needed for just part of your experience. I'd guess it's context is the censorship seen in the last decade on most social media platforms.

> I would interpret it as anyone is welcome. ...which is a very much a political statement.

It's a political statement about the commons being apolitical. As opposed to, say, Lemmy, which is explicitly political.
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