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Re: After getting Jimmy Kimmel suspended, FCC chair threatens ABC's The View

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Post by danielvaughn »

sylens wrote: post #65
mensetmanusman wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

An issue was that the right was being canceled for views not even 5 years ago and the same people complaining about Kimmel are having their exact quotes replayed justifying those types of cancellations. From a game theoretic standpoint, tit for tat is exactly what’s supposed to happen to stabilize the situation. This has actually been proven by mathematicians that apply decision making theories to social structures.

You're conflating cancel culture, done voluntarily by private companies, with censorship, with the federal government through the FCC is dictating the outcomes of mergers and acquisitions based on compliance with speech restrictions.

This isn't entirely true, as cancel culture was also prominent at public universities.

Re: After getting Jimmy Kimmel suspended, FCC chair threatens ABC's The View

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Post by christophilus »

sylens wrote: post #65
mensetmanusman wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

An issue was that the right was being canceled for views not even 5 years ago and the same people complaining about Kimmel are having their exact quotes replayed justifying those types of cancellations. From a game theoretic standpoint, tit for tat is exactly what’s supposed to happen to stabilize the situation. This has actually been proven by mathematicians that apply decision making theories to social structures.

You're conflating cancel culture, done voluntarily by private companies, with censorship, with the federal government through the FCC is dictating the outcomes of mergers and acquisitions based on compliance with speech restrictions.

The Biden administration had (and used) the ability to demote conservative news outlets on Facebook and Twitter. This cancel culture— both from the right and left— sucks and should be fought.

Re: After getting Jimmy Kimmel suspended, FCC chair threatens ABC's The View

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Post by jpk »

gtirloni wrote: post #14

I'm not a US citizen so take what I write below with a grain of salt. I always thought the US to be a stronghold of democracy and free speech. I know, it's a naive view and we know how huge companies and corrupt politicians can subvert the system. But still, I thought it had a decent law system that, although imperfect like any other system, kept things from going back to the dark ages. I don't believe that anymore a…

> A few individuals can completely takeover the government

That's not what's happening.

When most people serving in positions of government do so in good faith, most forms of government work, including the American one. When most people serve in bad faith, most forms of government do not work, including the American one.

The American system has checks in place to keep what is happening from happening, but those checks aren't working because those who would exercise them aren't doing so, as withholding those checks benefits them personally, at least in the short term. The underlying theory of the American system is that if you distribute power enough, one or a few bad actors can't seize total power.

But, there are just too many people in elected office right now who did not take their oath to uphold the Constitution in good faith. Namely, in Congress which has simultaneously demonstrated that it is unwilling to effectively wield the impeachment check, and is unable to do effective legislative work, leading to a latent desire for a stronger executive. In this circumstance, no form of government will hold up without a correction towards replacing all the bad-faith actors.

Re: After getting Jimmy Kimmel suspended, FCC chair threatens ABC's The View

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Post by monkey_monkey »

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #60
Jtsummers wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They stopped caring about your feelings, because you didn't care about theirs. Free speech is not about feelings. It's a principle, one enshrined in the US Constitution. If you don't believe in free speech, just say it. Say you don't want free speech, free assembly, free religion, and the free press. Don't cry about hurt feelings, though. That's what children do.

They stood for free speech; but judging by the downvotes here, the left didn't care about their free speech. If it did, my post above wouldn't be at -4, while the inflammatory answer above is still in the black. The left instead rationalized it under "free speech is not freedom from consequences", called them Nazis, fascists, bigots, homophobes, misogynists, you'd need a thesaurus. Every slur in the thesaurus, they u…

> If it did, my post above wouldn't be at -4, while the inflammatory answer above is still in the black.

Ah ok, so only your right to free speech is important and no one is allowed to react negatively to it and have their own free speech. Thanks for making that clear.

Re: After getting Jimmy Kimmel suspended, FCC chair threatens ABC's The View

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Post by yread »

xyzelement wrote: post #41

I love my liberal principles but this is totally expected. Ideally we live in a world where Kimmel isn't canceled but neither is someone like Roseanne Barr. But that world hasn't existed for a while. In a prisoners dilemma both sides win by cooperation. Once a side "defects" - the other side is a sucker not to. The ship on lamenting this stuff has sailed.

Who was the president when Barr's show was cancelled in 2018? Some woke guy?

Re: After getting Jimmy Kimmel suspended, FCC chair threatens ABC's The View

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Post by vjvjvjvjghv »

g42gregory wrote: post #74

People are discovering that cancel culture goes both ways. Neither one is good. But let's not pretend that cancel culture has not been going for many years now. Remember Fox News cancelling, their most popular at the time, Tucker Carlson Show?

I think the problem is that the FCC is getting involved here.

Re: After getting Jimmy Kimmel suspended, FCC chair threatens ABC's The View

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Post by Retinal7467 »

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #32
squigz wrote: post #7

I'm sure there's some Republicans on HN. I'm curious why/if you think that, if the public pressuring companies to fire people for some things (what some people call "cancelling") is wrong, it's somehow more appropriate for the government to do it? Or is this just a matter of, "well, they did it for years, now it's our turn" for you? (If you don't actually support this party, consider refraining from sharing your opin…

Simple. The Republicans remember when they were cancelled for not wanting to take a vaccination that was just invented months earlier; when they were deplatformed from Twitter constantly; when Reddit rejoiced at the death of one of their heroes; when "right wing violence is more common" became a meme as Minneapolis was literally burning. They watched a kid who they believed had a legitimate self-defense case get thro…

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Re: After getting Jimmy Kimmel suspended, FCC chair threatens ABC's The View

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Post by gjsman-1000 »

Retinal7467 wrote: post #97
gjsman-1000 wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Simple. The Republicans remember when they were cancelled for not wanting to take a vaccination that was just invented months earlier; when they were deplatformed from Twitter constantly; when Reddit rejoiced at the death of one of their heroes; when "right wing violence is more common" became a meme as Minneapolis was literally burning. They watched a kid who they believed had a legitimate self-defense case get thro…

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Correct. He didn't use a legal framework, and did it anyway. They even convinced Twitter to ban retweeting an unfavorable New York Post article that turned out true!

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/mark-zuckerbe...

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/zuckerberg-says-the-wh...

https://docs.house.gov/meetings/GO/GO02/20220914/115106/HHRG...

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2020/oct/14/facebook-...

https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-54552101

Re: After getting Jimmy Kimmel suspended, FCC chair threatens ABC's The View

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Post by etchalon »

lupusreal wrote: post #34
jjangkke wrote: post #23

Overton Window shift basically. One side used cancel culture relentlessly for even the smallest slights. Now the other side is using the very same tactic. Many people who have kept out of the extremes have now shifted towards the right and those who ignore the shift are finding out the hard way. I advise HN users who aren't aware of what's happening, read up on what Overton Window is and why its dangerous to continue…

That's my take. Its worse this time because it's coming from the government, but in a sense that makes it actually an opportunity to fight it in court (and they absolutely should.) In any case, the rules of engagement have been clear for years: if we don't like you, then we're coming for your livelihood.

It's not "worse because it's coming from the government".

The fact it is coming from the government is what makes it terrifying.

Re: After getting Jimmy Kimmel suspended, FCC chair threatens ABC's The View

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Post by IncreasePosts »

etchalon wrote: post #71
IncreasePosts wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Neither was Kimmel - the real threats came from the ABC affiliates who threatened to not air his content.

Kimmel was canceled explicitly because of a threat by the government. Carr has made that clear.

Carr spoke about a potential investigation by the FCC on a podcast and the affiliates and Disney bowed to that.
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