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The EU Just Killed ARR

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Re: The EU Just Killed ARR

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Does that mean, things like AWS Reserved Instances or Savings Plans do not comply with this EU law?

I think that AWS Reserved Instances will still be OK. That is purchasing a product with an expiration date, with the product being compute hours. And its mostly B2B, this article is mostly focusing on B2C. AWS will mostly be in the clear. Services are already billed per call or per monthly usage.

Re: The EU Just Killed ARR

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This is a big problem for many enterprise startups. Most (90%+) are customer funded, not VC funded, and it is common to have a few big design partner customers as they figure it out. Imagine several 3yr $1.5M ($500K/yr) contracts, so a team of 10-15 funded on that.

Companies have annual whimsical budget cycles, with new innovation initiatives always big easy targets as not cemented yet. This change makes it very easy to yank one of the 3 year commitments... Which would cause layoffs of a third of the startup.

Re: The EU Just Killed ARR

#63
post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>> The issue is you can't use the "I'll give you a deeper discount for a 3 year contract" line anymore. I don't see why not. You can still offer a low price right? You can still promise it won't go up for 3 years. But the customer can now cancel at any time.

Well, if you bought hardware to support that client for 3 years and the client changes their mind 2 months later then you are stuck with this hardware....

The Data Act allows for termination penalties in cases like that. You just have to make sure they're clearly disclosed in the contract.

Re: The EU Just Killed ARR

#65
post #49

Good Riddance. ARR is one of those 'fake' metrics like 'EBITDA' that mean nothing but numbers with make up. a more reflective number is last year revenue + revenue growth rate. and yeah costs / growth of costs.

Hmm that makes sense, but it probably would be best to measure cash flow instead of revenue year over year, maybe some kind of Earnings Before Interest, Taxes, Depreciation, and Amortization. Alternatively you could skip all of that and just go with yearly revenue like you said although that could obviously be gamed with some stupid one-off sales and fees so maybe some kind of Annual Recurring Revenue metric would be more useful?

Re: The EU Just Killed ARR

#66
The article is hyperbole and this only impacts ARR for consumer services, which tend to be either month-to-month paid in arrears, or annually prepaid. It doesn't change anything, but if your gym membership goes high-tech it might be easier to cancel.

The specific provisions[1] covering unfair contract terms apply only to "unilateral" contracts, meaning contracts that are offered to a customer who meets two important criteria. First that they attempted to negotiate specific terms in the contract. Second that they had no ability to influence those terms but continued to purchase the service anyways. Real, scaled, committed SaaS ARR isn't going anywhere.

[1] https://eur-lex.europa.eu/eli/reg/2023/2854/oj/eng#cpt_IV

Re: The EU Just Killed ARR

#67

The EU trying to solve a non-existing problem. If a company offers a discount (or not) for a longer minimum term contract and you accept then that's just liberty in action as long as the terms are made clear in advance. There is neither a need nor benefit in regulatory intervention, especially considering all the actual issues on Europe's plate...

>> The EU trying to solve a non-existing problem. It's a problem for me and as an EU citizen I'm happy they're taking the time to solve it.

B2C this is obviously a problem and I hope that this the model adopted in more places. B2B however might be a different story.

Re: The EU Just Killed ARR

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First of all OP is a shill for this paid.ai thing (as if this domain name isn't a telling sign, lol): https://news.ycombinator.com/submitted?id=arnon

Second it's ridiculous. No one is killing ARR. That's absolutely not what EU is doing.

> Boom. Subscription gone. Access revoked. Business workflows broken.

> It’s the equivalent of your electricity being cut off because you didn’t click “confirm payment” on a reminder email.

Not what EU is doing again. At all. What a slop.

Re: The EU Just Killed ARR

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post #51

As a user, this is great news. I think that the artificial lock-in to services that have near zero cost of on-boarding and off-boarding is not what nice companies should do. As an entrepreneur, this is amazing news! This means users can now more easily switch to my superior service. At least this is how I choose to see it. It seems to encourage healthy competition and I'd rather compete on the service quality and val…

Absolutely, companies who remain stagnant will fall behind if they don't offer something as good as or better than competition. Only shareholders who are concerned about "guaranteed income" regardless of its sources will not like this imo.

... of course it's the EU. It won't be enforced against large companies. I mean, it seems to me pretty obvious that this outlaws microsoft office. And yet, it's september, and ...

https://www.coolblue.nl/en/product/963184/microsoft-365-pers...

https://www.coolblue.nl/en/product/952796/adobe-photoshop-el...

Seems to me these trivially violate just about every condition talked about in this article ... yet it's still for sale with no way to cancel and get your money back. Am I missing something?

In fact this store only sells subscription software. That's the only thing available. Non-cancelable, of course. And there's plenty of technical and bundling barriers to switching.

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