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I regret building this $3000 Pi AI cluster

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Re: I regret building this $3000 Pi AI cluster

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I don’t really get why anyone would be buying ai compute unless A) to your goal is to rent out the compute B) no vendor can rent you enough compute when you need it C) you have an exotic funding arrangement that makes compute capex cheap and opex expensive. Unless you can keep your compute at 70% average utilization for 5 years - you will never save money purchasing your hardware compared to renting it.

There are an absolutely stunning number of ways to lose a whole bunch of money very quickly if you're not careful renting compute.

$3,000 is well under many "oopsie billsies" from cloud providers.

And that's outside of the whole "I own it" side of the conversation, where things like latency, control, flexibility, & privacy are all compelling reasons to be willing to spend slightly more.

I still run quite a number of LLM services locally on hardware I bought mid-covid (right around 3k for a dual RTX3090 + 124gb system ram machine).

It's not that much more than you'd spend if you're building a gaming machine anyways, and the nifty thing about hardware I own is that it usually doesn't stop working at the 5 year mark. I have desktops from pre-2008 still running in my basement. 5 year amortization might have the cloud win, but the cloud stops winning long before most hardware dies. Just be careful about watts.

Personally - I don't think pi clusters really make much sense. I love them individually for certain things, and with a management plane like k8s, they're useful little devices to have around. But I definitely wouldn't plan to get good performance from 10 of them in a box. Much better off spending roughly the same money for a single large machine unless you're intentionally trying to learn.

Re: I regret building this $3000 Pi AI cluster

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I thought the conclusion should have been obvious: A cluster of Raspberry Pi units is an expensive nerd indulgence for fun, not an actual pathway to high performance compute. I don’t know if anyone building a Pi cluster actually goes into it thinking it’s going to be a cost effective endeavor, do they? Maybe this is just YouTube-style headline writing spilling over to the blog for the clicks. If your goal is to play…

Also cost effective is to buy used rack mount servers from Amazon. They may be out of warranty but you get a lot more horsepower for your buck, and now your VMs don’t have to be small.

If you're following this path, make sure to use the finest traditional server rack that money can buy: https://www.ikea.com/ie/en/p/lack-side-table-white-30449908/

Re: I regret building this $3000 Pi AI cluster

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It will probably consume $150 worth of electricity in less than a month, even sitting idle :-\

The internet says 100W idle, so maybe more like $40-50 electricity, depending on where you live could be cheaper could be more expensive. Makes me wonder if I should unplug more stuff when on vacation.

> Makes me wonder if I should unplug more stuff when on vacation.

What's the margin on unplugging vs just powering off?

Re: I regret building this $3000 Pi AI cluster

#74

I thought the conclusion should have been obvious: A cluster of Raspberry Pi units is an expensive nerd indulgence for fun, not an actual pathway to high performance compute. I don’t know if anyone building a Pi cluster actually goes into it thinking it’s going to be a cost effective endeavor, do they? Maybe this is just YouTube-style headline writing spilling over to the blog for the clicks. If your goal is to play…

If you assume that the author did this to have content for his blog and his YouTube channel, it makes much more sense. Going back to the well with a "I regret" entry allows for extra exploiting of a pretty dubious venture. YouTube is absolute jam packed full of people pitching home "lab" sort of AI buildouts that are just catastrophically ill-advised, but it yields content that seems to be a big draw. For instance Al…

I doubt anyone does this seriously.

Re: I regret building this $3000 Pi AI cluster

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post #25

I thought the conclusion should have been obvious: A cluster of Raspberry Pi units is an expensive nerd indulgence for fun, not an actual pathway to high performance compute. I don’t know if anyone building a Pi cluster actually goes into it thinking it’s going to be a cost effective endeavor, do they? Maybe this is just YouTube-style headline writing spilling over to the blog for the clicks. If your goal is to play…

I did some calculations on this. Procuring a Mac Studio with the latest Mx Ultra processor and maxing out the memory seems to be the most cost effective way to break into 100b+ parameter model space.

Geerling links to last month's essay on a Frameboard cluster, at https://www.jeffgeerling.com/blog/2025/i-clustered-four-fram... . In it he writes 'An M3 Ultra Mac Studio with 512 gigs of RAM will set you back just under $10,000, and it's way faster, at 16 tokens per second.' for 671B parameters, that is, that M3 is at least 3x the performance of the other three systems.

Re: I regret building this $3000 Pi AI cluster

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post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It will probably consume $150 worth of electricity in less than a month, even sitting idle :-\

The internet says 100W idle, so maybe more like $40-50 electricity, depending on where you live could be cheaper could be more expensive. Makes me wonder if I should unplug more stuff when on vacation.

I was surprised to find out that my apartment pulls 80-100W when everything is seemingly down during the night. A tiny light here and there, several displays in sleep mode, a desktop idling (mere 15W, but), a laptop charging, several phones charging, etc, the fridge switches on for a short moment. The many small amounts add up to something considerable.

Re: I regret building this $3000 Pi AI cluster

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I thought the conclusion should have been obvious: A cluster of Raspberry Pi units is an expensive nerd indulgence for fun, not an actual pathway to high performance compute. I don’t know if anyone building a Pi cluster actually goes into it thinking it’s going to be a cost effective endeavor, do they? Maybe this is just YouTube-style headline writing spilling over to the blog for the clicks. If your goal is to play…

Also cost effective is to buy used rack mount servers from Amazon. They may be out of warranty but you get a lot more horsepower for your buck, and now your VMs don’t have to be small.

No, again, just run VMs on your desktop/laptop. The software doesn't know or care if it's a rack mounted machine.

Re: I regret building this $3000 Pi AI cluster

#79

I really don’t understand the hype over raspberry Pi. It’s an overrated, overhyped little computer. Like ok it’s small I guess but why is it the default that everyone wants to build something new on? Because it’s cheap? Whatever happened to buy once, cry once? Why not just build an actual powerful rig? For your NAS? For your firewalls? For security cameras? For your local AI agents?

I use mine for a plex server.

I don't need to transcode + I need something I can leave on that draws little power.

I have a powerful rig, but the one time I get to turn it off is when I'd need the media server lol.

There's a lot of scenarios where power usage comes into play.

These clusters don't make much sense to me though.

Re: I regret building this $3000 Pi AI cluster

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you assume that the author did this to have content for his blog and his YouTube channel, it makes much more sense. Going back to the well with a "I regret" entry allows for extra exploiting of a pretty dubious venture. YouTube is absolute jam packed full of people pitching home "lab" sort of AI buildouts that are just catastrophically ill-advised, but it yields content that seems to be a big draw. For instance Al…

I doubt anyone does this seriously.

I sure hope no one does this seriously expecting to save some money. I enjoy the videos on "catastrophically ill-advised" build-outs. My primary curiosities that get satisfied by them are:

1) How much worse / more expensive are they than a conventional solution?

2) What kinds of weird esoteric issues pop up and how do they get solved (e.g. the resizable BAR issue for GPU's attached to RPi's PCIe slot)

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