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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not everyone there is a bitcoin boomer. You'll find plenty of monero users and things that are a bit more serious than that.

It is noteworthy that zapps are based on lightning (which is Layer-2 for bitcoin), and similar in privacy as monero (and instantaneous).

Lightning is not anywhere near as private as monero. It's a band aid at best. If it was actually private it would get banned and suppressed like monero.

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#42

I find open protocols the most naive endeavour in tech nowadays. The reason why social media protocols work is because the incentive is to have them siloed, controlled, and artificially convincing people through algorithmic suggestions that posting what they had for lunch is somewhat interesting. These protocols seem to think that people actually want an alternative to what Instagram, Facebook, X etc. give them. They…

We need to both bring down these big companies and also have decentralized platforms ready for the outflux

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#43
The Nostr protocol as such does not look like a huge revelation. JSON, hashes, signatures, and that’s about it. JSON is not a cryptographer’s best friend, by the way.

Effectively, everything else is left to be implemented.

That probably explains try-everything-see-what-works approach to client apps?

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Even if you don't use Nostr as a microblogging social network, it can provide a useful layer. For example Trystero https://oxism.com/trystero (MIT licensed) can use it to establish P2P WebRTC connections without requiring a central server.

Thats cool I have been thinking of using nostr , Bittorrent DHT and Mastadon as a cencership resistant multi channel redundant broadcast beakon. All methods must go down before your nodes can't find each other anymore.

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#45

The Nostr protocol as such does not look like a huge revelation. JSON, hashes, signatures, and that’s about it. JSON is not a cryptographer’s best friend, by the way. Effectively, everything else is left to be implemented. That probably explains try-everything-see-what-works approach to client apps?

You're missing the point if you are evaluating it by looking at random facets like JSON and hashes. Nostr is an interoperable data layer. Anyone can build on it, and users don't get locked in, since the data layer is separate from the apps (clients). It puts the onus on app developers to make a compelling experience, and not F over The (not their) users. This upending is imo what the revelation is. Likewise, that everything is left to be implemented paints a picture of how developers can make it how they want. Like lego but you can design the bricks too. Cool.

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#46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

3 people have shared this experience in the thread. Is there a fundamental reason this wouldn't be true? Isn't it a place where people can anonymously share multimedia with minimal moderation? In my experience even the most toy application exposed to the wider internet will face this issue.

Everytime NOSTR is mentioned there are people from other networks coming here to spread FUD. The best thing is asking them to provide steps for replicating their claims, which they won't since it is the not the common user experience at all.

Every time a crypto user faces criticism over their favorite technology they frame it as FUD. Quite a marvel of nature.

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#47

Glad to see Nostr on top of HN. It is in its infancy, but Nostr allows for "zapps" (basically sending instant micropayments via bitcoin-lightning) - so instead of using ads and dubious algorithms, you can show your appreciation to content creators by small payments. This is a model for an ad-free, decentralized social media system.

Bitcoin is regulated as hell

There is a world outside of USA, and there is even a world within it too - where you can just do things.

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#48

Hope this doesn't come accross as rhetorical, it's a genuine question! Nostr users, how does this differ in your experience from Mastodon? At first glance it seems like the same idea but with the extra ingredient of blockchain, I'm not sure what this adds though, anonymity?

First of all there is some confusion because blockchain doesn't play a role here.

You start by creating a pair of public/private keys. That is your "account" but is independent from everything else (e.g. not tied to any specific tool nor web service).

Then you create texts (notes) which are digitally signed with your private key. Using the public key anyone can verify it was you writing it and nobody else.

There is no blockchain in the process, these simple text messages get sent to a multiple number of relays (you can even host them yourself) and other people can read them very freely.

The main difference to mastodon is that exists no central server where someone registers an account and has the power to kick you out from the site (deplatform). This also solves the problem with the mastodon servers decides to stop the service and suddenly everything is gone.

On NOSTR your texts are your texts, and there are multiple copies everywhere (more than 1000 free relays at the momment).

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#49

Hope this doesn't come accross as rhetorical, it's a genuine question! Nostr users, how does this differ in your experience from Mastodon? At first glance it seems like the same idea but with the extra ingredient of blockchain, I'm not sure what this adds though, anonymity?

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#50

A big misconception I've seen is the assumption that Nostr relays are federated and share messages between one another. This is not how it works. So if you're building a "Twitter clone" the client app must search multiple relays and post to multiple relays. If clients are not using a relay in common they cannot see one another. The end result is a bad experience for both user and developer. Using a single relay is ce…

Yep. There is no common model for message propagation, so there is no “net force” or clear direction.
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