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Re: This map is not upside down

#131

Yeah, sure, I've heard that before... master/slave, black/white lists... and now, north/south. I wonder what they'll come up with now to explain reading from left to right (don't even think about the majority of right-handed writers, that would ruin the fun). ".snoitnevnoc fo yticilpmis eht dnihneb noitnetni neddih a eb ot dnuob si erehT"

I mean several languages are right to left?

I'd be interested to see if handedness in those countries is different.

Re: This map is not upside down

#132
post #72

90% of the world's population and 68% of the land mass being in the northen hemisphere is probably a good enough reason to put north up top on a map.

Disagree completely. Your map should be bottom-heavy for stability.

No no no.

We should put Asia at the top, Europe bottom left, Africa bottom right.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T_and_O_map

Re: This map is not upside down

#133

Putting the north at the top was an artifact of the need to select a standard orientation when the printing press enabled mass production of maps. It was going to be north or south, thanks to the widespread existence of the magnetic compass at the time, and the printing press was invented by people in the north.

What did maps from China look like around then? I assume they'd center their continent somehow

Re: This map is not upside down

#134
In Japan, physical maps like in parks and city information booths are oriented to be aligned with the actual geography. Meaning, north on the map points to actual north.

Made me think of how much more accurate the end to end process of putting up that map has to be vs. maps oriented by "north is up".

Just imagine the map needs to be moved by 10m and rotated around for some last minute restructuring of the park before finalizing the project.

Anyway, it was fun to read these maps and think about how many assumptions we carry around that are shaped by objects around us we use daily.

Re: This map is not upside down

#135

I get the philosophical idea of challenging our default assumptions and remember people who are’t right in the middle of our conventional map. Good thing to do, sure. But, the fact that Africa and South America are pointy on their southern sides makes these kind of maps look awkward and bad IMO. It is like adjusting a paragraph so that the extra white space is in the first, instead of the last, line. Or putting the s…

Yeah I'm not sure why taking the same projection and mirroring it does anything. Surely you'd want a different style of map entirely for this kind of project? Africa could be much larger in it for instance

Re: This map is not upside down

#136

In Japan, physical maps like in parks and city information booths are oriented to be aligned with the actual geography. Meaning, north on the map points to actual north. Made me think of how much more accurate the end to end process of putting up that map has to be vs. maps oriented by "north is up". Just imagine the map needs to be moved by 10m and rotated around for some last minute restructuring of the park before…

This is similar to the modern car GPS question → do you always have the little arrow pointing up in the middle and the map rotates, or is the map still and the car rotates?

Re: This map is not upside down

#137

Putting the north at the top was an artifact of the need to select a standard orientation when the printing press enabled mass production of maps. It was going to be north or south, thanks to the widespread existence of the magnetic compass at the time, and the printing press was invented by people in the north.

North was established earlier by European sailors as the north star is visible in the sky and is hugely useful for navigation, divining latitude etc. in the northern hemisphere. The coincidence of the north star and magnetic north as major navigational tools was really too hard to ignore.

Printing press and maps really started following the sailors and navigators knowledge and needs, where previously it was often religious or political (east at top facing jerusalem or 'oriented')

Re: This map is not upside down

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post #114
post #72

90% of the world's population and 68% of the land mass being in the northen hemisphere is probably a good enough reason to put north up top on a map.

I do wonder if early world explorers had been from the southern hemisphere and a tradition of "south up" was already established, if it would still look better to us to have more land on top.

I suppose we can ask Australians and the kiwis.

Re: This map is not upside down

#139
post #74
post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At one point a character in Eco's Foucault's Pendulum says "archetypes don't exist, the body exists" and then gives some sexual and reproductive examples, followed by > And high is better than low, because if you have your head down, the blood goes to your brain, because feet stink and hair doesn’t stink as much, because it’s better to climb a tree and pick fruit than end up underground, food for worms, and because y…

> so if two people or other creatures are fighting, one who is higher is generally at an advantage compared to one who is lower or lying on the ground Tell that to a BJJ fighter.

Only an Anakin Skywalker vs Royce Gracey fight can settle this question once and for all.
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