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Towards a Physics Foundation Model

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Re: Towards a Physics Foundation Model

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Anyone remember that one time, a year or so ago, when some company teased a physics based generative model which showcased a drop of water sliding down a beer bottle and the model could display the forces acting on it?

Whatever happened to that? Vapourware?

Re: Towards a Physics Foundation Model

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Anyone remember that one time, a year or so ago, when some company teased a physics based generative model which showcased a drop of water sliding down a beer bottle and the model could display the forces acting on it? Whatever happened to that? Vapourware?

I think you mean this: https://genesis-embodied-ai.github.io/ It seems that this is much more focused on robotics, but interesting nonetheless.

Re: Towards a Physics Foundation Model

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

From a quick scan, I do not think they explicitly encode that. They want "the model to predict the evolution of diverse physical systems governed by partial differential equations". It looks like a more sophisticated sibling of time series forecasting models rather than a physics-informed nonparametric symbolic regression model.

Yeah, It’s true that PDEs are the "top-tier tool" for describing physical phenomena—from the laws of motion in classical mechanics and electromagnetic waves in electromagnetism to the evolution of wave functions in quantum mechanics, they accurately model most macroscopic, classical scenarios. However, when it comes to covering all physical phenomena, they really "fall short": in quantum gravity, spacetime may be dis…

> in quantum gravity

GP was asking about conservation laws but in gravity you don't even have energy-momentum conservation.

Re: Towards a Physics Foundation Model

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For folks wondering whether to read or not, here is the conclusion from the paper verbatim

> We have demonstrated that a single transformer-based model can effectively learn and predict the dynamics of diverse physical systems without explicit physics-specific features, marking a significant step toward true Physics Foundation Models. GPhyT not only outperforms specialized architectures on known physics by up to an order of magnitude but, more importantly, exhibits emergent in-context learning capabilities—inferring new boundary conditions and even entirely novel physical phenomena from input prompts alone.

Re: Towards a Physics Foundation Model

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How do they prove their model preserves conservation principles? I looked in the paper & didn't find any evidence of how they verify that whatever their "trained" model is doing is actually physically plausible & maintains the relevant invariants like mass, energy, momentum, etc.

Why? Is this important as a sanity check in the absence of any independent verifications?

Re: Towards a Physics Foundation Model

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How do they prove their model preserves conservation principles? I looked in the paper & didn't find any evidence of how they verify that whatever their "trained" model is doing is actually physically plausible & maintains the relevant invariants like mass, energy, momentum, etc.

I guess it can be implemented in the 'sampler' part. When solving an actual PDE, project the output of the AI onto a space that preserves the invariants.

Re: Towards a Physics Foundation Model

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Author here, Wow, I didn't think this would HN. I actually planned to do the advertisement rounds only after the final ICLR submission. This is our attempt at creating a model which understands multiple physics, which is in contrast to PINNs and Neural Operators, which focus on much more narrow systems. Obviously, the biggest issue is still data (3D and real-world problems), but I think we and a few other groups make…

Some month ago i stumbled upon two arcticles discussing PINNs and their failiures in more complex settings. are there similar challenges?

Re: Towards a Physics Foundation Model

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Author here, Wow, I didn't think this would HN. I actually planned to do the advertisement rounds only after the final ICLR submission. This is our attempt at creating a model which understands multiple physics, which is in contrast to PINNs and Neural Operators, which focus on much more narrow systems. Obviously, the biggest issue is still data (3D and real-world problems), but I think we and a few other groups make…

Great paper!

Off the top of your head, are you aware of any similar general-multiphysics NN work that's been applied to electromagnetics problems? In particular, some colleagues in my lab are investigating imaging via acoustic waves which are induced by microwave absorptive heating (in liquids, biological tissues, etc.); this approach is most commonly known as RF-induced thermoacoustic imaging [1]. It's very tricky to model this phenomenon in simulation, doubly so to measure it experimentally.

Most in my lab (myself included) are leery of throwing NNs at problems and seeing what sticks, but sometimes I wonder whether a model like yours might help us skip past the boring details to get at the novel technical stuff, or else extend simulations to more complicated boundary conditions.

[1] https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/abstract/document/6248685

Re: Towards a Physics Foundation Model

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Author here, Wow, I didn't think this would HN. I actually planned to do the advertisement rounds only after the final ICLR submission. This is our attempt at creating a model which understands multiple physics, which is in contrast to PINNs and Neural Operators, which focus on much more narrow systems. Obviously, the biggest issue is still data (3D and real-world problems), but I think we and a few other groups make…

What do you think about the Nobel prize in physics going for neural networks last year? What combinations of AI + physics do you think will be most impactful and could potentially get a Nobel prize?

Re: Towards a Physics Foundation Model

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post #15

How do they prove their model preserves conservation principles? I looked in the paper & didn't find any evidence of how they verify that whatever their "trained" model is doing is actually physically plausible & maintains the relevant invariants like mass, energy, momentum, etc.

Why? Is this important as a sanity check in the absence of any independent verifications?

I'm not an expert on this, so take this with a grain of salt. Chaotic PDEs are extremely sensitive to initial conditions. This essentially makes it so that any numerical solution will (quickly) diverge from the true solution over time. (Just due to floating point error, discretization error, etc.) This is why for a lot of turbulent navier-stokes stuff, people don't necessarily care about the specific phenomena that occur, but look at statistical properties.

I think one of the reasons it is important to preserve conservation laws is that, at the very least, you can be confident that your solution satisfies whatever physical laws your PDE relies on, even if it's almost certainly not the "actual" solution to the PDE. You actually can ensure that a numerical solver will approximately satisfy conservation laws. Then at the very least, even if your solution diverges from the "actual" PDEs solution, you can have some confidence that it's still a useful exploration of possible states. If conservation laws are not preserved AND your solution diverges from the "actual" PDE solution, then you probably cannot be confident about the model's utility.

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