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Slack has raised our charges by $195k per year

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Re: Slack has raised our charges by $195k per year

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Post by ugh123 »

chrisasquith wrote: post #189
fn-mote wrote: post #57

I was ready to be unsympathetic - too bad for the company - but then I read TFA and it's a rug pull on a nonprofit teaching coding to kids.... https://hackclub.com/ (They do help clubs sell things, taking "7% of income", so they do have a revenue stream, but the money that Slack wants would pay a veritable army of student interns.)

Hi! Ty! And Hack club is totally free to teens and we provide travel stipends, hardware, electronics and more. (We don’t charge 7 percent to clubs to sell things :)) hack club run a fiscal sponsorship and adult-orgs using it pay us 7percent- which we use to make more things free to teens. - hack club cofounder here

Have you thought about moving to Discord? I'm sure it won't be free for your org, but could be friendlier terms.

Re: Slack has raised our charges by $195k per year

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Post by beezlewax »

Hobadee wrote: post #236

This isn't just you. We have quite a few clients in this same boat. (One client is migrating to Teams in a couple of weeks for this exact reason.) We have quite a few RIA clients, and because of archiving requirements, this is happening to every single one of them. These aren't poor companies, but Slack is making it really hard to justify the expense anymore. We will have quite a few companies dump them when renewal…

Because microsoft would never do such a thing

Re: Slack has raised our charges by $195k per year

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Post by elnerd »

lazystar wrote: post #202
novatea wrote: post #70

Another Hack Club member here, this situation is hard on many of us since we built many of our projects around Slack integration, and we now have to rapidly re-code them so they don't break. It's not great, especially in the middle of the school week (reminder that hack club is a coding nonprofit for teenagers, so i have to go to school and have homework while doing this)

welcome to hacking, i guess. this is the real working experience that youll need in the industry

Getting the rug pulled under you does not qualify as an experience you need. It happens, but should not be in the curriculum for kids.

I am sure that being forced to spend time on this steals time from more interesting projects.

Re: Slack has raised our charges by $195k per year

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Post by p0w3n3d »

jwrallie wrote: post #204
p0w3n3d wrote: post #190

We're using teams in my new company, which is awful for textual communication (lacks threads in chats, groups are more like old forums than new IM). I've been experimenting with self-hosted Mattermost but it seems that it also requires paid license in some situations (e.g. does not have groups for some reason in the free version). I was unable to find another system. Would anyone recommend me something?

I was considering moving from Slack (free version) to Teams (paid) for a new project starting in October because my workplace already have a license for that. Seems like it will have less features but no 90 day retention annoyances. You seem to have some experience with both, do you think I am making a bad decision for a ~30 person team? Others suggested Matrix, but I have a feeling they are implicitly assuming self-…

I'd been working for 4 years with slack, and now for 5 months with teams. Slack was easier searchable, thread organisation is much better. In teams there are two types of communication - one is chat which has no threads (just answer to message as in WhatsApp), and channels which has forum vibe (more like post board).

Calls are better in teams, much better to be precise than slack. We rarely used slack for calls (it had nice feature of drawing on colleague's screen) which I think is also available in teams.

I think that integration is crippled in teams but I didn't have time to experiment with it.

So overall I'd suggest: go for teams if you want to call meetings and are not using slack as a main knowledge base, as we used to in my previous company. Especially considering matters highlighted in this article

Re: Slack has raised our charges by $195k per year

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Post by sfn42 »

ugh123 wrote: post #241
chrisasquith wrote: post #189

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hi! Ty! And Hack club is totally free to teens and we provide travel stipends, hardware, electronics and more. (We don’t charge 7 percent to clubs to sell things :)) hack club run a fiscal sponsorship and adult-orgs using it pay us 7percent- which we use to make more things free to teens. - hack club cofounder here

Have you thought about moving to Discord? I'm sure it won't be free for your org, but could be friendlier terms.

I was going to suggest the same. Why would it not be free? I would expect it to be free. I don't think running a server costs anything.

Re: Slack has raised our charges by $195k per year

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Post by wellthisisgreat »

realityfactchex wrote: post #51

Since you're a nonprofit that teaches coding, it could be a great time to consider self-hosting a FOSS chat tool. Suggestions: Campfire [0] or Zulip [1]. Also, if the data in chat is being held hostage, the org might be using chat wrong. Right tool for right purpose. If starting over, perhaps consider if it would make sense to put that documentation or whatever it is that will get "lost" from Slack into a wiki or rep…

Zulip is great

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Post by jonplackett »

stroebs wrote: post #232

Classic Salesforce. The exact same thing happened with our org and Heroku. Zero empathy, just pony up or we trash your company.

Yeah they fucked Heroku hard. I used to love Heroku. Can’t imagine there’s many people still left using it now.
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