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U.S. investors, Trump close in on TikTok deal with China

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Taking back control by _checks notes_ handing the Chinese propaganda tool to supporters of the current administration?

Yes exactly. The US government likes propaganda. They just don't like it when other countries do it.

That's how all ruling classes and governments throughout history have operated. It's now just mask-off in a country that people mistakenly thought didn't do that sort of thing.

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Same reason they put a guy at CBS as a "bias monitor": https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opinion/trump-fcc-cbs-ne... They want their guy to make sure things go their way / people say the "right" things.

> a guy at CBS as a "bias monitor" Kenneth Weinstein. "Mr. Weinstein has had a long career in right-leaning and neoconservative public policy circles. He is a firm and vocal champion of Israel." (NyTimes)

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenneth_R._Weinstein

Re: U.S. investors, Trump close in on TikTok deal with China

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In a democracy where the politicians change every 4-8 years this is receipt for disaster. The next administration will undo action taken by the previous one. In effect destroying any momentum or progress for achieving anything. For China and Russia this is not a problem because of the totalitarian state.

These fascist Republicans are not intending on giving up power. A bit China mixed with the sham democracies of Russia, Hungary or Turkey - this is the model they're going for. What do you think the push behind the new gerrymandered districts is for? Why do you think they are assembling a national voter registration database that hasn't existed before? https://www.msnbc.com/top-stories/latest/trump-doj-national-... Wh…

Get your surprised pikachu memes ready for the day martial law is called to permanently postpone the election.

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It's rather amazing. They found one of the few organizations I trust less than the Chinese government to run this.

Compared to Larry Ellison, Kim Jong-un strikes me as a supreme humanist, a beacon of goodness and generosity.

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Re: U.S. investors, Trump close in on TikTok deal with China

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I hope this is sounding alarm bells for everyone else as much as me. Larry's son buys Paramount (CBS) and promptly fires Stephen Colbert, a money making machine who was leading his timeslot as what was, in hindsight, a clear message to everyone that nobody is safe if they don't fall in line. Larry now gets TikTok, which like it or not is the most influential social media platform among today's youth. Both are Trump f…

Stephen Colbert shutting down was explained otherwise when it happened. [1] https://www.natesilver.net/p/why-colbert-got-canceled

Conjecture. But, since the article says Colbert has 10 months left, I think this would be a awesome turn of events if they canceled his show for political reasons (to get Trump's FCC approval) only to ultimately keep the show now that the FCC has approved the deal. That would be the purest form of beating Trump at his own game.

Re: U.S. investors, Trump close in on TikTok deal with China

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There are so many comically evil villains in ths one deal.

Example: Silver Lake. Many younger HNers may not be that familira with the story of Skype. To summarize, Skype was a big deal, the first real mass market caller-to-caller Internet voice messaging services. It was founded in 2003, bought by eBay (of all people) in 2005 for several billion dollars. There were plans to spin it out on an IPO but Silver Lake led a buyout for less than eBay paid for it I believe in 2009 (~$2.75 billion).

Now in 2011, Microsoft bought it for ~$8.5 billion. That was great for the employees, right? Wrong. Dead wrong. I believe the new company was incorporated in the Cayman Islands to make it difficult to sue, a bunch of executives were fired before the buyout to avoid paying them out and, most controversially, the options had a clawback option that allowed Silver Lake to forcibly purchase options at the original rather than the buyout price [1].

Larry Ellison is more well known in HN circles as comically evil. Pretty much everything he touches leaves a Grand Moff Tarkin level of stench of evil from his attack on public access to Carbon Beach through his massive property portfolio to his more well known attacks on open source (originally as a threat to Oracle's dominance).

He is a Trump loyalist and true Putinesque oligarch who will probably amass levels of media control well beyond Rupert Murdoch's wildest dreams. You can bet your bottom dollar that every media property he touches will serve the administration and I'd be shocked if one or more of these deals doesn't directly enrich Trump and/or his family.

Welcome to the tleptocracy.

[1]: https://www.wired.com/2011/06/skype-silver-lake-evil/

Re: U.S. investors, Trump close in on TikTok deal with China

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Key details: 1. New, US-specific TikTok App, separate from the main TikTok app in content and users. 2. 80% owned by a U.S. investor consortium led by Oracle, Silver Lake, and Andreessen Horowitz, 20% by Bytedance. 3. Board will include one U.S. government–appointed director. 4. All U.S. user data would sit on Oracle infrastructure in the US. 5. Algorithm will be initially licensed, but has to be reengineered to comp…

> 1. New, US-specific TikTok App, separate from the main TikTok app in content and users. IMO this significantly impacts the value I would get from TikTok, as much of the content I consume on the app is from outside the US I guess they are hoping the US market will be big enough so self sustain and even entice some foreigners to join the US only app?

Wait, so for everyone else this means American content will be off the main app and be contained? If this stems the tide of MAGA brain rot seeping north into Canada it's an absolute win.

Re: U.S. investors, Trump close in on TikTok deal with China

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Key details: 1. New, US-specific TikTok App, separate from the main TikTok app in content and users. 2. 80% owned by a U.S. investor consortium led by Oracle, Silver Lake, and Andreessen Horowitz, 20% by Bytedance. 3. Board will include one U.S. government–appointed director. 4. All U.S. user data would sit on Oracle infrastructure in the US. 5. Algorithm will be initially licensed, but has to be reengineered to comp…

That’s very interesting, I wonder if the toxicity of the American culture wars can be contained this way.

Also, I see creators, trying to create US based TikTok accounts because they believe that this way their content will be shown to Americans, which are better monetized. If that’s the case, I wonder if international creator will move to the American TikTok for the better payout.

It the international creators stay with the international TikTok IMHO that will be a huge win for China, practically displacing American culture for the younger demographic in the rest of the world.

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This is just crazy. No single person should have this amount of power, in particular if they have the moral integrity of Larry Ellison...

Genuine question: what do you think the alternative is? Ultimately someone will have the power. I don’t know what’s particularly questionable about Larry Ellison. An entrepreneur controlling media seems better than the state or a foreign government.

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Re: U.S. investors, Trump close in on TikTok deal with China

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post #296

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Yes exactly. The US government likes propaganda. They just don't like it when other countries do it.

That's how all ruling classes and governments throughout history have operated. It's now just mask-off in a country that people mistakenly thought didn't do that sort of thing.

Yea agree. The US used to be good at making the world believe they're all about freedom and rights etc. Now they don't seem to even bother trying anymore.
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