Oh for Christ's sake, this is what passes for the "top story" on Hacker News these days?
I wish I could make this the top comment on this thread.
So long, Retina
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Re: So long, Retina
#42The Retina is a fascinating and revolutionary laptop. But it's the first generation, and most companies' (including Apple) almost always mess up their first generation products in substantial ways. Everyone I know with a Retina is mostly happy with theirs, but I am going to hold off until the Retina grows into its high price. Meanwhile, a 13" macbook air and a 27" cinema display costs the same and is more compelling…
How's the MacBook air for dev? Was debating if it was powerful enough or if I should get a pro.
This is the performance difference. And Core i7 makes negligible difference over the i5.
http://www.barefeats.com/mba12a.html
But I have both a 13inch MBA and 17inch MBP and the Air is unusable for any serious development work. Screen is simply too small.
Re: So long, Retina
#43Have the retina. It's an awesome machine, and his points are correct: * A lot of them suffer from burn-in, mine doesn't (I have a samsung display). I'm lucky! * The scrolling is jittery at times. Yes I do notice. * You can't really update anything inside. None of these things bother me, at all. Update things inside? Last time I did that was to upgrade a 2GB to a 4GB for my previous laptop. It cost me as much as my Ap…
Honestly to me, burn in seems completely unacceptable for a computer so expensive.
I had burn in on my apple cinema display. got the screen replaced in warranty, happened again mildly on the new one later (warranty has ended).
my 27" imac had serious burn in problems. got the screen replaced in warranty. hasn't repeated yet.
neither a cinema display nor an imac is cheap.
burn in problems are common. shrug. if it's completely unacceptable, there are a lot more completely unacceptable screens, and have been for a long time, yet no one seems to be complaining.
a sibling to your comment says 1st gen ipads can get burn in issues and this is expected by apple and not considered a serious defect when it isn't too strong.
Re: So long, Retina
#44Trollbait. 3 out of the 4 bullet points are also true for his previous 3 year old MacBook Pro: 1440x900 is the best (actually max) resolution and it's not user-serviceable or upgradable.
As for the screen burn-in, the very thread he links to notes that Apple had been replacing defective units. You don't have to "get rid" of it, just bring it in to an Apple store.
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#45This is precisely why I did not buy one. I know it's a brilliant machine, but it's also the first of its kind. Anyone who's ever been an apple early adopter knows that it doesn't always end pretty. v2.0 of the retina's are going to be solid, I have no doubts.
I have a first gen Macbook air sitting on my desk. It's probably the most beautiful machine I've ever seen, but it runs so hot that I had to manually lower the voltage to the processor just to prevent thermal shutdowns from watching Youtube videos.
Now, I always wait for at least the second generation of Apple products.
Edit: I picked up the Air second hand for a very good price
Re: So long, Retina
#46Have the retina. It's an awesome machine, and his points are correct: * A lot of them suffer from burn-in, mine doesn't (I have a samsung display). I'm lucky! * The scrolling is jittery at times. Yes I do notice. * You can't really update anything inside. None of these things bother me, at all. Update things inside? Last time I did that was to upgrade a 2GB to a 4GB for my previous laptop. It cost me as much as my Ap…
> Last time I did that was to upgrade a 2GB to a 4GB for my previous laptop. It cost me as much as my Apple upgrade from 8GB to 16GB.
This is either a lie or some messed up apples-to-oranges comparison. There's no way upgrading via Apple is even close to buying RAM and replacing it yourself.
8 -> 16 GB upgrade via Apple costs $200
If you buy it yourself, it's $77
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820144...
(and that's not even counting that you can sell your old 8GB, the cheapest I can find on eBay is $39.90)
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#47"After a couple of days" he noticed that "it's a disposable machine" and "none of its components can be upgraded"? Those are valid complaints, but they're public knowledge. If he didn't do the research before buying it, it's a little silly to be complaining about those two things now.
You should give the full quote. "Started noticing some of the well known problems" implies that he did know about them, just didn't notice the negatives of them himself the first couple of days. Lots of hate on HN for this article...
That makes it worse :D He knew it wasn't upgradable, bought it anyway, and now he's complaining about it?
Re: So long, Retina
#48If Samsung makes some of the retina displays, does that mean more laptops will have it soon?
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#49If Samsung makes some of the retina displays, does that mean more laptops will have it soon?
Eventually, but two problems that could slow down the process (meaning, not necessarily "soon"):
(1) Apple has made lots of forward looking investments to get long-term lock ups on supplies even if the manufacturer is Samsung. So perhaps they've already bought the next 1 or 2 years of these displays that Samsung can produce. Samsung would then have to build more factories to supply the needs of other OEMs, where the OEMs did not help invest ahead of time to help build this capacity themselves.
(2) More significantly: the operating system and its software eco-system must actively support high-resolution displays. Since Windows 8 is more popular on the low end, there might not be much incentive for Microsoft or their software partners to actively change their software to support what would initially probably be a very niche market for them. Without the software, there isn't much motivation to produce the hardware. Apple doesn't really have this problem: they've sort of forced the issue by releasing the hardware first, they've upgraded their OS to deal, they've primed the market with a few enabled apps, and their users are fairly high end, will demand more apps, where the app developers will quickly oblige (Adobe came out with a HiDPI version of the Creative Studio tools recently).
Eventually we will all get high resolution displays, but it will probably take much longer for the PC ecosystem than the Mac ecosystem. If its successful enough on Mac, however, I would expect the process to speed up on PCs so they remain competitive.
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#50Earlier quoted context omitted.
1680x1050 looks fine to my eyes. Certainly not retina quality, but as good as a non-retina display.
1680x1050, 1080p and etc, are unacceptable for graphical work. You can notice blurring. Only 1440x900 or the native 2880x1800 are, in my opinion. I run the native 2880x1800 at work and an external 1080p screen at home. I've noticed none of these issues so far. Maybe I'm one of the lucky ones.
Set OS X to use half-res and check your images again. They should be rendered at 2x (meaning they actually use all the pixels not a quarter of them) so they shouldn't look fuzzy at all.