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A qualitative analysis of pig-butchering scams

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The wild part will be when you find out that the toddler is actually the mastermind.

Or simply that you're not the father.

That took a dark twist lol.

Fortunately, there are plenty of worthy partners in the world, even if there are lots of ones that are a waste of time and resources.

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I happened across the "Tinder Swindler" video on Netflix the other day, and I was shocked at how elaborate these scams can get. Always thought I'd catch onto this stuff, but... Imagine: you meet someone online. You talk for a while, and decide to meet up for dinner. They say nothing, but upon googling them (for safety, of course) you discover they're the son of a billionaire - a weapons or diamonds magnate or somethi…

That is an incredible scam . Easy to see how it could suck in some people. Lot of overhead, though. Wonder how many potential victims tap out early and never yield a return. I suppose the front man only requires a minimal amount of charm when they are an heir.

Oh, I should’ve been more clear - that’s fake. He has websites set up, etc., but everything he buys is paid for by another woman he tricked.

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> cons target someone currently vulnerable This. I am a senior software dev, living in Switzerland. Few years ago there was an issue with my residence permit renewal, process that should have taken few weeks took more than a year. No way to contact that Geneva immigration office, and you can't visit them personally, emails ignored. Official phone contact is just a single phone that often rang few times and then dropp…

AML/KYC laws have done us a big favour. Otherwise that would be a bank txn they would ask for. And now buying $200 of gift cards as an actual gift is impossible (in physical space)

On the other hand, many companies outsource their AML/KYC as it's a cost center. And your passport, face, bills, address is stored in a server with dubious encryption, handled by poorly paid service reps.

You can google the many data breaches of such data. Great for scams.

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I got sucked into reading this paper, and it has completely changed my perception of these scams. They are incredibly thorough and realistic. Here are some quotes that drove this home for me. "The bond phase showed that scammers had tremendous patience; this phase lasted anywhere from 3 to 11 months before the scammer moved on to the next stage of the scam." "When I spoke to her on a video call, it was the same perso…

The podcast Scam, Inc details all if this and is very interesting and worthwhile. Talks about the big cases and the people who perpetrate the scams. It has surprising detail.

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for the average person, the limerence phase -- where your brain produces dopamine instead of oxytocin when around your partner -- lasts around 20-26 months. aka the honeymoon phase. wait until the dopamine hits stop and then see where you stand with that marriage...

I've never heard limerence described in physiological terms like this before, do you recommend any sources for more on this?

searching "limerence dopamine" will get you basically all of the info you need. skip the first 6-8 obviously AI gen articles and hit wikipedia or some of the more reputable Medium writers. that said, chances are the first links, even if AI generated, will link to some sort of research.

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That is an incredible scam . Easy to see how it could suck in some people. Lot of overhead, though. Wonder how many potential victims tap out early and never yield a return. I suppose the front man only requires a minimal amount of charm when they are an heir.

Oh, I should’ve been more clear - that’s fake. He has websites set up, etc., but everything he buys is paid for by another woman he tricked.

No I understood it was an “heir”.

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> the scam will remain as this level is rather cheap. The less efficient you can make the process, the less you make it attractive to put resources into scaling it. Focus on making them generate the types of proof that aren't as easy to fabricate or at least give them as little information about why their initial approach failed as possible by playing along for a while after you catch on so they can't figure out how…

The victim you are being manipulated by is judged on their numbers, not on how hard they tried. While what you are saying is theoretically effective, it assumes that enough people will do this to impact the business model… they won’t. So all you will accomplish is increasing human misery of trafficked slaves or their loved ones, while accomplishing nothing besides feeling a sense of retribution. This problem requires…

> So all you will accomplish is increasing human misery of trafficked slaves or their loved ones, while accomplishing nothing besides feeling a sense of retribution.

You seem to be asserting that we should let them scam someone else. If you think that funding the scammers to protect their vicitm workers is moral then you should do it yourself rather than pawning the costs off on someone less aware who might unintentionally feed the scammers money they can't afford to lose.

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