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When the job search becomes impossible

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Re: When the job search becomes impossible

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Use hiring brokers. The good ones will vet the candidates and verify them. Job seekers should also consider seeking representation from top tier brokers.

Any suggestion on good brokers?

Iceberg Slim?

Re: When the job search becomes impossible

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post #111

The thing that bothers me so much about this post is that it reeks of privilege by treating unemployment as if it were mainly just a bad trigger that you talk to your expensive therapist about once a week. For most people in the real world, psychological burn out is NOT the problem with unemployment. The problem is becoming homeless.

The median household net worth in the US is $193,000. The rate of home ownership is 65%. I don’t think the median American is at risk of becoming homeless during normal unemployment. Maybe you mean that the article isn’t as relevant for a global audience which is fine, but I would think that the median American lives in “the real world”.

https://www.federalreserve.gov/econres/scf/dataviz/scf/table...

https://www.nahb.org/blog/2024/08/lowest-homeownership-rate-...

Re: When the job search becomes impossible

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post #17

I met many programmers during the boom years of software that straight out refused to develop any type of soft or managerial skills. Forget that, they even refused to maintain good relationships with decision makers (and I did this too, but only once in my carrier), left jobs in bad ways, focused on chasing salary increases every 6 months. And here is the problem. If you have been chasing "easy" salary increases, wor…

My experience has been just the opposite. While I developed solid technical skills, my focus was on developing soft skills. However, all the management jobs I've seen hire based on programming rather than management skills.

Re: When the job search becomes impossible

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post #223
post #211

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Blog posts are aimed at an audience, HN is an audience, and in both cases the audience in question is a technical one with an above-average number of well-paid professionals. The whole framing that the blog post "reeks of privilege" to "most people" is a bit strange. If I were to read a Yachting Monthly article about The Five Most Attention-Grabbing Mega Yachts For The Conspicuous Consumer Billionaire it would probab…

I think people would be shocked at HN demographics. I'm quite confident it's more representative of the average population in terms of things like income than some people seem to realize.

Sure, but none of us have to read all the way through every article that hits the front page, or take it to heart when the article is about a rich person.

One of my friends has given up on finding a software job and become a handyman to make ends meet. I get that not everyone in tech is loaded. I just don't think holding your nose and gagging at the "reek" when you deliberately read about someone who has six months of savings is a productive or useful reaction.

Re: When the job search becomes impossible

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post #224

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What could potentially put an end to the current hiring "winter"? We have an increasing amount of immigrants coming over in hopes of getting a white-collar job, in combination with the tech sector shrinking, as well as companies as a whole being much more careful when hiring. There would need to be some explosion in the amount of tech jobs, in order for everyone to be able to get one. However, I just cannot see what…

> What could potentially put an end to the current hiring "winter"? April 18, 2017; EO 13788: Buy American and Hire American (H-1B reform) Still waiting on that one. Just need a favorable administration back in office.

I'm not American but I do find it quite annoying how majority of the economic trends present within the US, are subsequently reflected in Europe with a slight delay.

I think that a slight increase in autonomy of other western countries could go a long way

Re: When the job search becomes impossible

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This essay just makes me feel so hopeless about our society. I don’t feel it’s right that employment has such weight in people’s lives that the search causes psychological damage.

There is something fundamentally broken about this entire user journey and industry. There are lots of jobs to fill. But hiring managers don't find people reading through resumes submitted in a form. People don't get jobs by submitting resumes into a form. The opportunities happen from talking on the phone, meeting someone for coffee. I feel like this entire resume submission industry should just be deleted.

3 out of 3 jobs that I've had after college have been from submitting resumes into a form... It's not perfect but it can work

Re: When the job search becomes impossible

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post #224

I've lived through the recessions of 1990-91 (in my 20s, not tech), the Dotcom bust and the Great Financial Crisis. I can tell you that it's always been this way when its' a "buyer's market" and the employers can afford to be picky. I can also tell you that this is not some game-changing phenomenon[0]. The jobs will return when it is once again a "seller's market" -- which it surely will be. This applies to non-tech…

What could potentially put an end to the current hiring "winter"? We have an increasing amount of immigrants coming over in hopes of getting a white-collar job, in combination with the tech sector shrinking, as well as companies as a whole being much more careful when hiring. There would need to be some explosion in the amount of tech jobs, in order for everyone to be able to get one. However, I just cannot see what…

This is just recency bias. People often tend to think that present trends will continue indefinitely even though past trends did not.

Re: When the job search becomes impossible

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post #148

As someone who's recently been hiring (sorry folks, position was filled just a few days ago), it's wild to me how distorted things have become. We had 1200 applications for an extremely niche role. A huge amount were clearly faked resumes that far too closely matched the job description to be realistic. Another huge portion were just unqualified. The irony is that there actually _are_ a ton of exceptionally qualified…

The number of fake resumes is insane. During reviews I ended up passing a number of fake profiles through because their CVs looked real. None of them showed up to the initial screening call.

There are now AI CVs mimicking real people, so the CVs point to real Linkedin profiles, Github profiles.

Not sure what their end game is unless it's to continually test CV creation or find woefully inept companies that will hire them with limited vetting.

Re: When the job search becomes impossible

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I've lived through the recessions of 1990-91 (in my 20s, not tech), the Dotcom bust and the Great Financial Crisis. I can tell you that it's always been this way when its' a "buyer's market" and the employers can afford to be picky. I can also tell you that this is not some game-changing phenomenon[0]. The jobs will return when it is once again a "seller's market" -- which it surely will be. This applies to non-tech…

"this is not some game-changing phenomenon[0]. The jobs will return when it is once again a "seller's market" -- which it surely will be."

Pretty bold. Things like manufacturing haven't recovered and we're seeing similar outsourcing in tech.

Re: When the job search becomes impossible

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post #223

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think people would be shocked at HN demographics. I'm quite confident it's more representative of the average population in terms of things like income than some people seem to realize.

Sure, but none of us have to read all the way through every article that hits the front page, or take it to heart when the article is about a rich person. One of my friends has given up on finding a software job and become a handyman to make ends meet. I get that not everyone in tech is loaded. I just don't think holding your nose and gagging at the "reek" when you deliberately read about someone who has six months o…

> I just don't think holding your nose and gagging at the "reek" when you read about someone who has six months of savings is a productive or useful reaction.

Interesting way to characterize GP's response when all they did was use a word in a very common way.

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