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Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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Re: Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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Post by xg15 »

Ethee wrote: post #68
Gud wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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The problem is there obviously isn't any discussion happening. People are so entrenched on one side or the other and that's pretty apparent by this comment section. Everyone wants to virtue signal without taking any responsibility. The unfortunate reality of this situation is that it's extremely complex and weaves in a lot of historical context. But nobody cares about nuance anymore it's all just "killing bad!" withi…

That's essentially the pro-Israel argument for decades (Including the opinion that killing somehow weren't always bad). It hasn't prevented the current situation.

But don't let that stop you. Feel free to make a nuanced and well-researched counterargument why the UN report is wrong.

Re: Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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Post by actionfromafar »

MangoToupe wrote: post #80

I'm afraid the latest spate of "recognizing the state of Palestine" is not, in fact, a sign of coming relief for the people there, but rather a spigot to relieve domestic pressure to engage in substantive actions (sanctions, pressuring the US and other suppliers of arms to engage in sanctions, let alone sending peacekeepers or no-fly zones). Regardless of how much you're personally invested in the topic, this should…

The international community is a worthwhile endeavour. But all other countries play at the behest of the US and now, also China.

Between them, the rest have only local influence.

Re: Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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Post by actionfromafar »

imglorp wrote: post #79
therobots927 wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Voters can take a stand and refuse to vote for anyone complicit in this atrocity.

In the US, both parties were supportive in the last election. Not many choices.

One party had a long leash. The other cut the leash and yelled attaboy.

Now acting mildly concerned when the neighbour downstreet (Qatar) got their chickens bombed.

Re: Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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Post by leonixyz »

Hopefully we are at the beginning of a change, but I doubt this will come only from the UN.

The UN is the only international democratic institution that - even with its many imperfections - prevents the world to fall into complete anarchy. It's quite telling that it gets ignored since so many years by the country that elevates itself as the world defender of democracy, the US.

The UN has voted for decades for ending the embargo towards Cuba. Every year the outcome of the vote, which has always resulted in a great majority demanding the immediate end of the embargo, has been ignored by the US, resulting in millions of Cubans facing extreme economic consequences since many decades. The last time every country except Israel and US voted for ending the embargo (I might be wrong, maybe a single African state abstained).

In all of this, the only seed of joy I see, was seeing the Cubans a couple of years ago, after decades and decades of seeing their economy strangled by the most powerful country on Earth, roll out their own Covid vaccine just at the same time of those of big Pharma - a vaccine that resulted excellent, effective, and cheap. Hats off for the Cubans. Hope to see some other seed like this also in the Palestinians.

Re: Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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Post by _DeadFred_ »

xinuc wrote: post #77
ipaddr wrote: post #69

Wonder why this made the frontpage when other political articles die. Has the rules around political non technical articles changed? Can we get an Epstein thread for the frontpage sometime this week?

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Re: Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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Post by beloch »

therobots927 wrote: post #60

I for one will be holding my representatives responsible who continue to vote for the US to enable a genocide. The videos coming out of Gaza have turned me and many others into single issue voters.

Flipping the U.S. really is the key to ending this conflict. The U.S. reliably uses its security council veto to nix any meaningful UN response and the U.S. remains, by far, the biggest supplier of arms to the IDF. If the US were to stop veto'ing everything and cut off the IDF's supply of, at least, some types of weapons, the new ground assault would likely end quickly.

Unfortunately, that isn't likely to happen. Netanyahu has, to date, handled Trump deftly and Rubio's current presence in Israel seems to be aimed at offering support to the ground offensive, not opposition. I honestly have no idea what kind of backlash it would take to shake U.S. support for this genocide.

Re: Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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Post by dotancohen »

Gud wrote: post #53
_DeadFred_ wrote: post #52

Seeing the number of flagged comments, and going from past discussions where any discussion seen as pushback was flagged, this discussion really doesn't belong on hacker news.

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Re: Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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Post by Ethee »

xg15 wrote: post #81
Ethee wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem is there obviously isn't any discussion happening. People are so entrenched on one side or the other and that's pretty apparent by this comment section. Everyone wants to virtue signal without taking any responsibility. The unfortunate reality of this situation is that it's extremely complex and weaves in a lot of historical context. But nobody cares about nuance anymore it's all just "killing bad!" withi…

That's essentially the pro-Israel argument for decades (Including the opinion that killing somehow weren't always bad). It hasn't prevented the current situation. But don't let that stop you. Feel free to make a nuanced and well-researched counterargument why the UN report is wrong.

I'm not sure what you're pointing to in my response to attribute it to Israeli support. I was attempting to make light of the fact that 'discussion' requires two sides. Right now both sides live in a different reality. I am in no way condoning Israel's genocide against Palestinians. But to say Israel is the only one at fault for this situation and to only point fingers to one side betrays the historical facts of the situation. I in no way tried to downplay the situation or play sides so please don't twist my words as if I did.

Re: Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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Post by random9749832 »

eej71 wrote: post #84

It's always useful to balance these claims against their critics. Towards that end I offer up unwatch. https://unwatch.org/

Nice critic. I remember on Reddit watching someone get blown up the other day while carrying water while it was still up. I think they were under 10.

Not sure if they died or just lost all their limbs.

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