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Female Producers in Saudi Arabia: "Did you have to wear the black thing?"

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Re: Female Producers in Saudi Arabia: "Did you have to wear the black thing?"

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Post by gaius »

coryrc wrote: post #9
Silentio wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would agree with this. I wouldn't call myself a hacker in the traditional sense of the word. I dabble in HTML and CSS but other than that I'm not much of a programmer. I am here, however, because the articles that come up are interesting and the discourse that happens in the comments section is always high minded and interesting. Coming to visit Hacker News exclusively over a place like Reddit has been a breath of…

"things like this article" are exactly why reddit is no longer the way it once was. You will destroy HN with your wish.

So flag it.

Re: Female Producers in Saudi Arabia: "Did you have to wear the black thing?"

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Post by theoneill »

evannyx wrote: post #2

why is this on HN?

"Please don't submit comments complaining that a submission is inappropriate for the site. If you think something is spam or egregiously offtopic, you can flag it by going to its page and clicking on the "flag" link. (Not all users will see this; there is a karma threshold.) If you flag something, please don't also comment that you did."

http://ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Female Producers in Saudi Arabia: "Did you have to wear the black thing?"

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Post by pg »

coryrc wrote: post #9
Silentio wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would agree with this. I wouldn't call myself a hacker in the traditional sense of the word. I dabble in HTML and CSS but other than that I'm not much of a programmer. I am here, however, because the articles that come up are interesting and the discourse that happens in the comments section is always high minded and interesting. Coming to visit Hacker News exclusively over a place like Reddit has been a breath of…

"things like this article" are exactly why reddit is no longer the way it once was. You will destroy HN with your wish.

Not true. This article could easily have been on Reddit in the first year.

What ruined Reddit was (a) an influx of 14 year olds, who (b) were allowed to continue to behave as they had on Digg or wherever else they came from.

Re: Female Producers in Saudi Arabia: "Did you have to wear the black thing?"

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Post by pg »

biohacker42 wrote: post #6
sounddust wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The focus of Hacker News is going to be anything that good hackers would find interesting. That includes a lot more than hacking and startups. If you had to reduce it to a sentence, the answer might be: anything that gratifies one's intellectual curiosity.

I've always found the above troubling. It seems obvious to me anything that gratifies one's intellectual curiosity will quickly transform the site into interesting news, but not hacker news. Perhaps if it was a hacker's instead of one's ?

I've always found the above troubling.

It's been the definition of on topic for about a year and a half, and the site's still fine, so it seems to work.

Re: Female Producers in Saudi Arabia: "Did you have to wear the black thing?"

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Post by marvin » 

  And you know how all of them responded to women in charge? Great. Actually, they were a lot more than great.
  They were about the most warm, wonderful, welcoming group of people that you could possibly imagine.
I've heard the opposite..not about Saudi Arabians, though. My mother was the boss of an Iranian immigrant, and he was apparently completely unable to respect instructions given by a woman. And we are not talking about burger-flipping here, but pharmaceutical production.

This is an anecdote answered with an anecdote, but let's not put this whole cultural difference under a chair. Women aren't regarded as the professional equals of men in all parts of the world. I'm not starting a gender debate here; in some ways it is a pretty interesting difference. Especially if you see that those Arabian cultures that are even more "different" (polygamy, for instance) actually have a lot of similarities to promiscuous life in the West..at least from the male's point of view. There are a lot of facts about morale and life in these societies that doesn't come to light in any politically correct discussion.

I wish I had a better skill for languages so I could go over there and see these things first-hand...

Re: Female Producers in Saudi Arabia: "Did you have to wear the black thing?"

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Post by biohacker42 »

pg wrote: post #13
coryrc wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"things like this article" are exactly why reddit is no longer the way it once was. You will destroy HN with your wish.

Not true. This article could easily have been on Reddit in the first year. What ruined Reddit was (a) an influx of 14 year olds, who (b) were allowed to continue to behave as they had on Digg or wherever else they came from.

But wasn't the influx of 14 year olds driven by general interest articles, which very slowly got less interesting and more general?

How could that slow boil be prevented?

Re: Female Producers in Saudi Arabia: "Did you have to wear the black thing?"

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Post by biohacker42 »

theoneill wrote: post #12
evannyx wrote: post #2

why is this on HN?

"Please don't submit comments complaining that a submission is inappropriate for the site. If you think something is spam or egregiously offtopic, you can flag it by going to its page and clicking on the "flag" link. (Not all users will see this; there is a karma threshold.) If you flag something, please don't also comment that you did." http://ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

In his defense, I don't think he was suggesting it's either spam or egregiously off topic.

What bothers curmudgeons like me and him is the gentle slope towards Everybody News.

Re: Female Producers in Saudi Arabia: "Did you have to wear the black thing?"

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Post by pg »

biohacker42 wrote: post #16
pg wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not true. This article could easily have been on Reddit in the first year. What ruined Reddit was (a) an influx of 14 year olds, who (b) were allowed to continue to behave as they had on Digg or wherever else they came from.

But wasn't the influx of 14 year olds driven by general interest articles, which very slowly got less interesting and more general? How could that slow boil be prevented?

I think the 14 year olds were attracted by a sense of lawlessness, most visible in the long, highly editorialized titles and the trollish comments.

It wasn't so much general interest articles that signalled the decline of Reddit as partisan political ones. I.e. articles that didn't merely involve politics, but were instances of it.

Re: Female Producers in Saudi Arabia: "Did you have to wear the black thing?"

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Post by pg »

pg wrote: post #18
biohacker42 wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But wasn't the influx of 14 year olds driven by general interest articles, which very slowly got less interesting and more general? How could that slow boil be prevented?

I think the 14 year olds were attracted by a sense of lawlessness, most visible in the long, highly editorialized titles and the trollish comments. It wasn't so much general interest articles that signalled the decline of Reddit as partisan political ones. I.e. articles that didn't merely involve politics, but were instances of it.

BTW, let me add that by "14 year olds" I mean people who behave like 14 year olds. Actual 14 year olds are welcome here so long as we can't tell.

Re: Female Producers in Saudi Arabia: "Did you have to wear the black thing?"

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Post by biohacker42 »

pg wrote: post #18
biohacker42 wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But wasn't the influx of 14 year olds driven by general interest articles, which very slowly got less interesting and more general? How could that slow boil be prevented?

I think the 14 year olds were attracted by a sense of lawlessness, most visible in the long, highly editorialized titles and the trollish comments. It wasn't so much general interest articles that signalled the decline of Reddit as partisan political ones. I.e. articles that didn't merely involve politics, but were instances of it.

Political (not policy) cheer leading is an excellent indicator that someone can't think.

Hopefully, as long as we keep HN free of politics we'll avoid redditization.

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