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Scammed out of $130K via fake Google call, spoofed Google email and auth sync

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Re: Scammed out of $130K via fake Google call, spoofed Google email and auth sync

#71

Coinbase STILL doesn't freeze user accounts for a token amount of time, 24 hours or so, after resetting a password‽ Part of the blame should be levied on Coinbase if this is the case. (I'm assuming this guy at least uses unique passwords...)

The attacker had the passwords and 2fa codes from the Google account so Coinbase couldn't really distinguish them from the right person (tho presumably for large transfers they may require some extra checks, dunno)

Re: Scammed out of $130K via fake Google call, spoofed Google email and auth sync

#72

Mistake cost him 80k. Author is feeling burnt, but the cost is the cost at transaction time.

Extending this further, based on the stated value it looks like he probably had 40 or 50 ethereum. He might have bought them for a fraction of today's price - say $50 - so might only be out $2500 based on cost at transaction time...

Re: Scammed out of $130K via fake Google call, spoofed Google email and auth sync

#73

The load bearing question is, why didn't the attacker also clear out OP's bank account, retirement savings, and max out his credit cards? Unfortunately, the difference is that banks care literally at all about their customers accounts being emptied.

What I specifically mean by "care literally at all" : banks have a policy of reimbursing people who had their accounts emptied despite taking reasonable precautions. This creates sane, linear incentives: banks care 1000x more about a $100,000 fraud than a $100 fraud; they care 1000x more about a scam affecting 100 people than a scam affecting one person, etc.

Unrelated, but for added spice, here's a thread from ten months where everyone agrees you're a fool unless you secure your coinbase account with google authenticator

https://www.reddit.com/r/CoinBase/comments/1h65zuh/account_h...

Re: Scammed out of $130K via fake Google call, spoofed Google email and auth sync

#74
post #24

How did they get the passwords to his Google and Coinbase accounts? He reused passwords? The same one for Google as for Coinbase? Or did they reset his Coinbase password via his Gmail? The post doesn't make this explicit, but it warns against password reuse.

I believe they logged into coinbase with Google SSO. And then they used my Google Authenticator codes which were cloud synced as the second factor auth method.

A warning to auth engineers: if an account is using a Gmail address, then auth codes from Google Authenticator should not be considered a second factor.

Re: Scammed out of $130K via fake Google call, spoofed Google email and auth sync

#75
post #10

Does anyone know how the email from (or appearing to be from) @google.com works? Wouldn't the Apple account reject it because it fails DKIM/etc?

I’ve heard scammers use Google tools like Google forms or Google cloud to send out fraudulent emails that appear like they come from Google.

Re: Scammed out of $130K via fake Google call, spoofed Google email and auth sync

#76

Coinbase STILL doesn't freeze user accounts for a token amount of time, 24 hours or so, after resetting a password‽ Part of the blame should be levied on Coinbase if this is the case. (I'm assuming this guy at least uses unique passwords...)

The attacker had the passwords and 2fa codes from the Google account so Coinbase couldn't really distinguish them from the right person (tho presumably for large transfers they may require some extra checks, dunno)

The article is poorly written and not clear. It sounds like you're suggesting the author let Chrome save his Coinbase password and Google synced that to the attacker as well?

> Google had cloud-synced my codes.

> That was the master key. Within minutes, he was inside my Coinbase account.

The author wrote "codes", not "passwords".

Re: Scammed out of $130K via fake Google call, spoofed Google email and auth sync

#77

> Be skeptical of unknown calls. If something feels off, hang up and restart the conversation by contacting the company directly. I wonder sometimes how many scams I've avoided simply by pretty much never answering my phone when someone calls unless I'm expecting a call or it's someone I know. > The attacker already had access to my Gmail, Drive, Photos — and my Google Authenticator codes, because Google had cloud-sy…

I've set my phone to not answer unknown callers (those not in my address list) and more importantly, I've done this for my parents as well and further instruct them as often as possible to not believe anything they get in email. With all of this, my mom still will reach out at least once or twice a year in a panic about some scam email she thinks is real.

Re: Scammed out of $130K via fake Google call, spoofed Google email and auth sync

#80
post #24

How did they get the passwords to his Google and Coinbase accounts? He reused passwords? The same one for Google as for Coinbase? Or did they reset his Coinbase password via his Gmail? The post doesn't make this explicit, but it warns against password reuse.

I believe they logged into coinbase with Google SSO. And then they used my Google Authenticator codes which were cloud synced as the second factor auth method. A warning to auth engineers: if an account is using a Gmail address, then auth codes from Google Authenticator should not be considered a second factor.

This isn't something "auth engineers" can control, there's no magic Google Authenticator flag on a 2fa code - it's all HMAC and numbers, you don't know if the code came from Authy, Google Auth, a homebrew code generator, a dongle, etc.
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