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Re: macOS Tahoe

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Post by otter-in-a-suit »

al_borland wrote: post #694
dim13 wrote: post #656

Read most of the comment, was hesitated. Then thought "it can't be that bad". Ok, it is that bad. I absolutely hate extra round corners and extra margin in the windows. Sigh.

It’s just change. People complain every time the UI changes on anything. People will get used to it. Apple will refine some things over time. It will be ok.

I usually agree (and enjoy reading angry threads years later), but wasting screen real estate and getting measurably worse in terms of accessibility is simply not a good design decision.

Re: macOS Tahoe

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Post by pelagicAustral »

Citizen_Lame wrote: post #784
eloisius wrote: post #771

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I used Mac for 10 years and started feeling the same irritation around 2017. In 2020 I finally bit the bullet and switched to Linux. The initial investment into getting a usable Arch desktop was horrible. It took several days just to get to the point of something that I could boot into and be productive. It takes me a long time to get things working the way I want, but I kind of enjoy that aspect of total customizati…

Out of curiosity, what kind of work do you do on Linux. Because, some workflows are simply not possible on Linux due to missing applications.

I exclusively used macOS for about 8 years and now I'm on Bluefin, work generic web development stacks... The last bit of software I'm missing on Linux is the Serif apps... gaming (in my particular case) is sorted, I was shocked to install Steam on Blufin and have almost my entire library available.

Re: macOS Tahoe

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Post by johnhamlin »

vbezhenar wrote: post #584
rcarmo wrote: post #211

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I count four different corner radius sizes currently on my screen, which is maddening. Apple has a thing against people with OCD. Or taste. The thing is horribly wasteful of screen real estate, and as someone who’s been writing a Mac blog for over two decades, I am so happy I started using Fedora two years ago—GNOME has its flaws, but it looks nicer than Tahoe.

> Apple has a thing against people with OCD. Their window close button with slightly off cross in the red circle was a nightmare to my OCD.

Well great, now I can never unsee that

Re: macOS Tahoe

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Post by prmoustache »

coconut08 wrote: post #426
bombcar wrote: post #285

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It's sad that the best Linux laptop right now arguably is a M4 Mac virtualizing Linux.

this is a psychotic question but have you actually tried doing that? like using a macbook as a vessel for running linux under parallels as a primary use?

I guess if you autostart the linux VM upon booting this should work. I am doing actually the same with BeOS but using a Linux as the hardware compatibility layer. Linux distro is configured to autologin to sway which starts a VM and run it fullscreen. The guest VM is configured to use all the laptop ram leaving only 1GB for the host. In the second virtual desktop the pulseaudio volume control, wifi and bluetooth management tools are automatically open so I can easily plug a BT headphone, switch network.

The linux distro automatically shutdown if I shutdown the VM. I am using swaylock to lock the screen when I am away.

Re: macOS Tahoe

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Post by redwall_hp »

_2d30 wrote: post #210
sys_64738 wrote: post #76

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It's truly hideous to look at. I really can't believe they went for these massively rounded corners. They're too stubborn to allow you to select an option for right angled corners again. They just tinker as there's no other real UI enhancements.

> They're too stubborn to allow you to select an option for right angled corners again. "right angled corners again" I have a feeling you aren't and haven't been a Mac user for a long time. When was the last time Macs had right angled corners!? 30+ years ago?

Literally never. System 1 has corners that are superficially pointy looking, but if you look close they have a sort of smoothing instead of being a hard right angle. On a screen with 340 lines of resolution.

Re: macOS Tahoe

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Post by ethbr1 »

giancarlostoro wrote: post #751
dreamcompiler wrote: post #707

Every new version of MacOS exhibits four phenomena: 1. Old bugs are not fixed. 2. New bugs are introduced, and I have to spend hours online figuring out workarounds. 3. Old features I depended on are removed, and I have to spend hours online figuring out how to replace them. 4. New features I don't need are added and they get in my way, and I have to spend hours online figuring out how to disable them. My workflow pr…

> 1. Old bugs are not fixed. If Apple would open source some of its OS apps, this would probably be a non-issue, I could see people putting in bugfix PRs the second Apple chooses to open source their core apps. I don't see them doing this any time soon sadly, but it would make macOS much more stable, and probably secure. The more I have thought about my views on Open Source vs Commercial software, I strongly feel tha…

Of the two, there's a lot clearer line to Apple open sourcing some of its core desktop apps, given market share (~16%?) and lack of internal resource prioritization (iOSiOSiOS).

The best time to do so would have been ~2010, after iTunes revenue provided a clear monetizable carve-out.

The second best time would be today.

The number of people saying 'I love the hardware you sell me, but am switching platforms because your software is trash' should be a flare that even Tim Cook can notice.

And anything that moves MacOS closer to OSS should be welcomed by Apple -- it's their easiest (and most affordable) path to competing with Microsoft (Azure) on desktop.

Re: macOS Tahoe

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Post by massysett »

eloisius wrote: post #771
dreamcompiler wrote: post #707

Every new version of MacOS exhibits four phenomena: 1. Old bugs are not fixed. 2. New bugs are introduced, and I have to spend hours online figuring out workarounds. 3. Old features I depended on are removed, and I have to spend hours online figuring out how to replace them. 4. New features I don't need are added and they get in my way, and I have to spend hours online figuring out how to disable them. My workflow pr…

I used Mac for 10 years and started feeling the same irritation around 2017. In 2020 I finally bit the bullet and switched to Linux. The initial investment into getting a usable Arch desktop was horrible. It took several days just to get to the point of something that I could boot into and be productive. It takes me a long time to get things working the way I want, but I kind of enjoy that aspect of total customizati…

> The best part is, though, nothing ever changes.

Wasn’t true when they switched to systemd, or when KDE 4 came out, or when the new Gnome came out, or when the kernel renamed Ethernet interfaces to enps-whatever.

Re: macOS Tahoe

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Post by codr7 »

reaperducer wrote: post #358
CharlesW wrote: post #193

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I've been using it for ~6 weeks, and I'm also a bit confused by the hate since it's barely changed. I'm a fan of the improved UX harmonization across form factors. My intuition is that the minor and gradual "Duploization" of macOS in Sequoia and now Tahoe foreshadows touchscreen MacBooks.

I agree with you. It really hasn't changed all that much. It's a bit more cartooney, but as long as it doesn't get in the way of my work, I don't care. It looks like a lot of the hate flowing on HN is just people looking at worst-case screenshots on blogs and piling on. They haven't even used it. There are a few things I'm not wild about, but for the most part it's a bunch of shoulder-shrugs. This isn't the end-of-th…

I hope they pay well at least.

Re: macOS Tahoe

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Post by AlexandrB »

anon7000 wrote: post #334

(This about iOS, not Mac, but obviously a lot is similar.) I might be in the minority on hn, but I’m using iOS 26 for the first time today and am pretty happy with the new design. For one, it’s a lot snappier and faster. I’m glad they finally did something about the slow-ass animations iOS had in a lot of places. Secondly, it has a lot more personality. I enjoy that. Thirdly, they finally moved more basic UI stuff cl…

The keyboard on iOS 26 is all messed up. Letters on the keys are no longer vertically centred and are shifted up slightly, while the shift and delete glyph are still in the middle. It looks like a mistake replicated 26 times.

Edit: Also, information density is down across the board. Of course.

Re: macOS Tahoe

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Post by sgt »

eloisius wrote: post #771
dreamcompiler wrote: post #707

Every new version of MacOS exhibits four phenomena: 1. Old bugs are not fixed. 2. New bugs are introduced, and I have to spend hours online figuring out workarounds. 3. Old features I depended on are removed, and I have to spend hours online figuring out how to replace them. 4. New features I don't need are added and they get in my way, and I have to spend hours online figuring out how to disable them. My workflow pr…

I used Mac for 10 years and started feeling the same irritation around 2017. In 2020 I finally bit the bullet and switched to Linux. The initial investment into getting a usable Arch desktop was horrible. It took several days just to get to the point of something that I could boot into and be productive. It takes me a long time to get things working the way I want, but I kind of enjoy that aspect of total customizati…

I fully get that macOS is not perfect, but checking out "modern" Linux (like a customized Arch) is a bit underwhelming. It still looks to me like Linux 20 years ago. And I started with Linux in the mid 90s. Not much has changed or improved on the pure fundamentals. I guess it's fine if all you do is sit doing CLI or spending your day in web browsers.

Day to day macOS driving to me is an absolute joy (granted, I'm still on Sonoma).

I do a lot of work in terminals but I also enjoy other apps, where that uniformity of Cocoa comes into play. And if you go deeper into Mach/Darwin, it's extremely powerful. On the userland .. from the launcher to dtrace and dynamic linker tricks and low level hooks. A lot of cool macOS APIs to experiment with, public or private. AppleScript/Automater, private frameworks like SkyLight (nifty!)

Oh and don't get me started on MLX...

To me, as a developer and as a power user, macOS delivers everything - and more.

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