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A qualitative analysis of pig-butchering scams

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Re: A qualitative analysis of pig-butchering scams

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Post by lo0dot0 »

shkkmo wrote: post #100
K0balt wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I get presented with one or two of these a month. It’s easy to be calloused until you remember that these people are also victims, often in worse ways than you could ever be as one of their targets. The best thing is just to ignore completely. If you engage at all, you risk worsening their situation by wasting their time, while if you do engage you might be saving someone else at their expense…. It’s lose/lose to eng…

> If you engage at all, you risk worsening their situation by wasting their time, while if you do engage you might be saving someone else at their expense…. I don't understand what you are arguing for here? That they need to be allowed to scam someone else to avoid worsening their situation? I'd say wasting their time is the best solution. It avoids giving the bosses info on what approaches works with who and helps m…

Agree that we are allowed to waste time. Sending money to scammers doesn't help anyone it just makes whoever is in charge of the criminal ring more powerful.

Re: A qualitative analysis of pig-butchering scams

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Post by lo0dot0 »

K0balt wrote: post #130
shkkmo wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If you engage at all, you risk worsening their situation by wasting their time, while if you do engage you might be saving someone else at their expense…. I don't understand what you are arguing for here? That they need to be allowed to scam someone else to avoid worsening their situation? I'd say wasting their time is the best solution. It avoids giving the bosses info on what approaches works with who and helps m…

I don’t think there’s any good answers here. Wasting their time will push their numbers down which, if they are not deemed productive, will almost certainly result in potentially horrific negative consequences for them or perhaps a loved one. The kind of people that run criminal organisations generally don’t give credit for trying. It’s strictly numbers.

You're arguing for sending money to criminal organizations which will make them more powerful. It's a terrible advice.

Re: A qualitative analysis of pig-butchering scams

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Post by Dilettante_ »

qwertytyyuu wrote: post #2

lol I’ve gotten this question. For me, they wanted to invite me to this bad mobile game

"I love you honey. Hey, let's play Raid Shadow Legends™, my Favourite Game Ever together! If you sign up with this link you get one hundred gold and a Free Epic Champion <3"

Re: A qualitative analysis of pig-butchering scams

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Post by Beretta_Vexee »

mothballed wrote: post #55
giveita wrote: post #44

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AML/KYC laws have done us a big favour. Otherwise that would be a bank txn they would ask for. And now buying $200 of gift cards as an actual gift is impossible (in physical space)

Always verify a wire details through an initiated call to a verified number of the legitimate institution in question. My country has AML law, but all the time people are tricked into wiring money to scammer for a house or something else because they take wire details by spoofed e-mail or a received phone call. The scammers are very clever, they will monitor e-mail from a title company or some other company with larg…

Many scammers have sources in government agencies, companies, insurance companies, etc.

The day my mother asked to receive her pension, she received calls from scammers, even though she had been relatively spared until then. I have had similar feedback from people who have to call for help with mental health, depression or addiction issues.

These people have no scruples and are willing to pay others without much hesitation.

Re: A qualitative analysis of pig-butchering scams

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Post by K0balt »

shkkmo wrote: post #133
pixl97 wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>That they need to be allowed to scam someone else to avoid worsening their situation? There are two levels of scammers here. One is the low level scammer that is directly interfacing with you. In these situations they are also victims that are being held by violence. Simply put if bad things happen to these people or not the scam will remain as this level is rather cheap. The bosses will observe from a higher level…

> the scam will remain as this level is rather cheap. The less efficient you can make the process, the less you make it attractive to put resources into scaling it. Focus on making them generate the types of proof that aren't as easy to fabricate or at least give them as little information about why their initial approach failed as possible by playing along for a while after you catch on so they can't figure out how…

The victim you are being manipulated by is judged on their numbers, not on how hard they tried.

While what you are saying is theoretically effective, it assumes that enough people will do this to impact the business model… they won’t. So all you will accomplish is increasing human misery of trafficked slaves or their loved ones, while accomplishing nothing besides feeling a sense of retribution.

This problem requires state-level intervention, but it is mostly getting state level support.

The incentive alignment on this is not going to allow improvement. Perhaps if client nations imposed sanctions on nations that allowed this kind of industry, that could be changed.

Re: A qualitative analysis of pig-butchering scams

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Post by ____tom____ »

anasrin wrote: post #3

Couple months ago I got message from random woman on Telegram, I'm sure from the account photo it self is AI generated, and start play along. After I got some photo of her, I start reverse search the photos and found some Russian forum [1] that some people share their experience about pig-butchering scam [1] https://pikabu.ru/story/temu_neponyatnyiy_razvod_11302944

Reverse search likely won't work anymore. Too easy to generate a new face for each target.

Re: A qualitative analysis of pig-butchering scams

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Post by ____tom____ »

floppiplopp wrote: post #140

What contemporary economic ideology has taught me: If it sounds too good to be true, it usually isn't. And the Venn diagram of scams and business is almost a circle in a sense that companies and criminals don't have your interests in mind. There's really no reason to trust either.

> If it sounds too good to be true, it usually isn't.

it usually IS

Re: A qualitative analysis of pig-butchering scams

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Post by 3PS »

____tom____ wrote: post #149
floppiplopp wrote: post #140

What contemporary economic ideology has taught me: If it sounds too good to be true, it usually isn't. And the Venn diagram of scams and business is almost a circle in a sense that companies and criminals don't have your interests in mind. There's really no reason to trust either.

> If it sounds too good to be true, it usually isn't. it usually IS

Different bracketing.

"If it sounds too good to be true, it usually isn't (true)"

vs

"If it sounds too good to be true, it usually is (too good to be true)"

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